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To start this new thread, we’ll do an old story! A non-canon and lost comic that hasn’t seen print until many years later. It’s the return of an old foe and what would’ve been the first appearance of a new friend. This is Everything Old is Newt Again!
Question: Have you ever watched SatAM? What did you think of it? Did you know there’s a long running fancomic called Sea3on that continues after the show ended? You should check it out. https://the-ride.neocities.org/comics/2022-02-14-sea3on
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Note: If the chaos emeralds become corrupted with dark energy of some kind, please do not try using them. Instead, please take each one to their corresponding temples for purification. And whatever you do, DO NOT let the Master Emerald get corrupted.
>>139908242 Here's Bunnie! There goes Bunnie! >>139908226 I do find lost stories to be fascinating, especially when they're different and made non-canon by other stuff.
>>139908199 >Question: Have you ever watched SatAM? What did you think of it? Y'know, it's actually been actual decades since I watched it. I should revisit it sometime.
>Did you know there’s a long running fancomic called Sea3on that continues after the show ended? You should check it out. Yes, you ran it during the Unofficial Ride.
>>139908260 To be fair, "canon" is a very loose concept during the early days.
>>139908432 So this story which seems to be around the era of issue 4 was actually released as a lost story around the early 2000s? Tails is the correct color and Sonic has green eyes.
>>139908402 >they just order her from a catalog ... Hot take. I unironically like this origin better than the time loop. It frankly makes more sense and raise s fewer questions.
>>139908760 Nicole, pls. Not wrong though. Goddamn, I'm so happy she's finally in the book.
>>139908904 She detecting a change in the creative staff and saw where things were going from there.
>>139908978 If they just ordered Nicole from a catalog then there must be thousands of Nicole units out there then. Bit silly, but then her getting created by an old Rotor and having it sent through time to the present to Sally is also silly. But that's just Archie Sonic I guess.
>>139909115 >Imagine going to a store and buying your own nicole FIVE-HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE U.S. DOLLARS >Imagine customizing your nicole to your liking. I would just change her to the outfit with the cool hat
>>139908260 It was printed in the Sonic Archives #5, in 2007. We don't know for sure when it was meant to release originally, but judging by the GN and Nicole's proper debut, it would have probably been around issue 17.
>>139909099 Shrinking can be so OP at times, there's no real counter to getting shrunken out of existence, one would need to be a reality warper at that point to not be affected by it
>Bit silly, but then her getting created by an old Rotor and having it sent through time to the present to Sally is also silly. It's also really damn confusing since she never actually appears in 20YL/25YL. My headcanon is that she went into standby mode at some point to prevent a paradox, and she'll come back online once Rotor realizes that he created her. Can just tell him that or it breaks the loop.
>>139909236 You'd need to be able to counter it by also being able to grow on comand, but any character that can just shrink you to a molecular level could give you a horrific Shrinking Man style demise
>>139909037 >thousands of Nicole units out there then
>NicoleCon >people from all over gather to one place every year to show off their Nicoles >Websites dedicated to Nicole >how to mod your Nicole >tips for improving your relationship with your Nicole
>>139909748 I'd say one of Robotnik's flunkies may have tried but it was too difficult. Robotnik didn't even think about it because it wasn't killing Sonic.
>>139907749 If you mean Rotor with Buns or Nics, one could say so, but I would think mine personal ships are way, but WAY beyond the crackship territory, and being the sexually frustrated Rotor fan myself, it do be like that.
>>139905575 >Tastes great... less filling! Prime Rotor character right there. Fuck yes.
>>139908199 >Question: Have you ever watched SatAM? What did you think of it? Did you know there’s a long running fancomic called Sea3on that continues after the show ended? You should check it out. I've watched some, but not all sadly. And Sea3on is great - especially Gavin!
>Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Note: If the chaos emeralds become corrupted with dark energy of some kind, please do not try using them. Instead, please take each one to their corresponding temples for purification. And whatever you do, DO NOT let the Master Emerald get corrupted. Ominous.
I don't get you guys. You complain about Tangle and Whisper being debbie downers but praise Nicole who's worse than both put together. All she does is worry worry worry with a big frown all day, only there to dump exposition and then fuck off. Pairing her with Sally or Shard is a great disservice to both of these characters.
>>139910359 Replying to your shitty bait to state the following:
Love Tangle Love Whisper Love their lez antics Love Nicole Love Sally Love Shard Love all of their interactions Love Sally and Nicole's friendship Love Nicole and Shard's relationship Love Archie Love IDW Love Sonic Simple as
>>139910359 >Nicole >worse than Tangle and Whisper Her helpfully providing exposition and hacking various Eggman computers is more useful than anything Tangle and Shitsper have ever done. Nicole also only cries during that one time when Mina Mongoose hurt her feelings, rather than crying in every appearance like Whisper and Belle do.
>>139910524 Oops, my bad. It's hard to tell anymore; IDWfags will unironically say black is white and up is down if they think it'll make their shit comic sound better.
>>139910640 I genuinely don't give a shit about Tangle and Whisper "crying every issue" the way some anons here want me to care. It's obviously a result of the mandates dictating anyone who isn't exclusive to the comics be completely unable to express anything more than mild discomfort.
I hope everyone that unironically thinks Tangle and Whisper have "relationship drama" sticks around long enough for when we reach the love triangles and the ACTUAL soap opera shit.
>>139910792 The "Antis" don't actually read either Archie or IDW. They just shitpost as a way to get people to bite the bait. It's not their only trick, but it's the current popular one since Evan clearly does like drawing Whisper crying. Girl's got a Hurt/Comfort fetish but can't kill or cripple people william nilliam like in her fanwork.
>>139911162 It is fairly obvious that Evan has imaginary inhibitor rings on her wrists as she works on IDW. Not as much pure violence and also no bare feet with toes.
>>139911208 Obvious bait is obvious but for anyone who seriously humors this argument: Can you even recall the last time any character that isn't Sonic has been awarded a big victory without Sonic's involvement in any way?
Personally, I think IDW is very mediocre after various things like the imposters shitshow, awful eggman city arc and finally that sorry excuse of a celebration special. But what I recommend to do if you don't like it, is to just stop reading it. I've stopped giving a shit about any thing new from it and it helps a ton. I don't understand the haters who for some reason constantly read it despite their hate for the comic.
>>139911250 >Can you even recall the last time any character that isn't Sonic has been awarded a big victory without Sonic's involvement in any way? I'm actually drawing a blank here. It's quite frankly rare for characters not Sonic to have major Ws without him.
>>139911250 Well, there was the time that Nicole became Overclocked Nicole and beat Phage, or Shadow beating up various Metal Sonics and Black Arms, or the much-maligned Titan Tails beating Mammoth Mogul, or....
>>139911311 Fair enough, but Knuckles and all the other good-guy characters just make Tangle and Whisper even more useless and redundant.
>>139910640 my opinions on Silver and how much everything around/about him sucks, also probably the fact I really like Sally as a character suppose with how rabid people get on the topic of her
>>139911325 Everything went downhill when Starline died. All the plots are boring filler to me. Most of the characters just telegraph their dialog and the stories are such nothingburgers because they're becoming nothing more than "Things happens and Sonic and friends accompanied by OCs have to go fix it in about 3 issues or less" or wacky SoL hijinks.
>>139911245 Because it's bad. They wasted a third of the whole comic on the Zombot shit, have introduced a succession of increasingly useless crying OCs, and they killed off the one halfway-menacing villain they had other than Eggman or Zavok.
Here's pic of Bunnie Rabbot AU design had commissioned from Mel-Sky, didn't go to overboard or fancy besides the arm being based on the E-Series in Sonic Riders
>>139911371 I think Tangle has a unique style with her tail and junk. Her personality can get a little grating, though.
Whisper on the other hand, is completely pointless to me. Her entire gimmick is the Avatar from Forces with a coat of paint from a Metal Gear character and cries to such an extent that it makes you feel numb to it even though it's supposed to get a reaction from the reader.
>>139911397 I think the writers are just losing a lot of steam after using up the big ideas already. And yeah, after starline died, only real bad guys left are those two relative normies and the imposters. But the imposters are kind of a mess and lamer than the normie bad guys. Rough and Tumble are okay I guess
>>139911250 that time Infinite made Silver eat the dirt sticks in my mind...oh you mean in IDW, well I can't recall but Archie does actually later on let other character's except Sonic get some W's like how they ultimately beat the Egg Beater cause it wasn't made to counter them
I think Tangle could be a lot better if they didn't saddle her with Whisper. "Peppy ADHD heroine" isn't anything too original, but her putting on a brave face when the zombots infected her was more genuinely heroic than anything the other Resistance characters have done.
>Whisper is a ripoff of the Avatar from Forces Not only that, but she's worse in every way. Gadget at least nuts up and commits to fighting after his team is killed by Infinite. Whisper's constantly on the verge of a breakdown. Mimic is also much less powerful than Infinite, so his rivalry with Whisper hardly seems worth it.
>>139911371 >but Knuckles and all the other good-guy characters just make Tangle and Whisper even more useless and redundant Honestly hate this mindset. This is why the modern games feel so fucking empty. Not begging for the series to have 300+ characters again like it did in pre-SGW Archie, but my goodness at least let there be one or two characters so locations stop feeling like post-apocalyptic ghost towns.
>>139911548 Mordred Hood got made into a pussy in the reboot and didn't hypnotise enough woman, also Vector doesn't really get to fight much which is a shame and despite being the physically strongest animal is usually the weakest of the strength characters. Lastly Blaze, although her setting is super cool and interesting is also wildly underused/not developed compared to Silver many boring shitty future's or Echidna lore.
>>139911549 You don't have to have those characters constantly pop up in every issue, though. Sure, Tangle and Whisper can show up if Sonic stops by the Resistance HQ or whatever, and the gay birds can show up if he visits that radio station, but not every issue needs to have these two comic OCs show up just to have Whisper cry and remind us of her tragic backstory.
It'd be like if a Super Mario comic had some lesbian Boo and Pianta characters show up every issue even if Mario was nowhere near a haunted house or Isle Delfino.
If this was an actual good series, the world wouldn’t feel so small and only focus on a select few all the time and instead show the various tales you could tell about things around the world
>>139911518 aye I liked the arm design and thought that it'd be a cool way to include game visuals into her design while not loosing the parts of her past looks to, plus it has the bulky arm look for her robotic arm which I prefer
One thing I'm tired of is the phrase "Tangle and Whisper". I miss when these characters were singular, but now everything about them is being associated with the other. I'm not a fan of packaged deal characters unless they were introduced like that on debut or a very strong or interesting reason is given for why (I don't consider shipping a valid reason).
>>139911548 Metal does nothing but job no matter what continuity he's in. He exists to make a cool entrance, dish out a few hits, and then get unceremoniously bodied
>>139911664 Tangle and Whisper (heh) have the same deal as Blaze and Silver. They will literally rarely be seen alone again due to shit like shipping mental illness, etc even when it comes to to detriment of them.
>>139911681 Okay guys, make up your mind. Do you want these characters to actually be in the comics or not? Because you just agreed with my original point in an attempt to be a contrarian.
>>139911337 Lately PDA Nicole has been growing on me. Many of the fangames I'm trying have Sally use her as a weapon and I'm enjoying this way more than the blue rings from the reboot.
>>139911611 Yeah I have noticed that Vector doesn't really super get into fights when from shit like Heroes it shows he totally can. Roaring so hard he can knock people over, shooting bubble gum explosives out his mouth and just being a fucking crocodile with the strength that brings. He needs to get in the ring more.
>>139911782 >showing up every issue just to job and cry That's not just those two characters, though. Like, I think we've gone into detail multiple times that the whole "characters are useless and/or nervous wrecks without Sonic" thing spans the entire franchise nowadays. Hell, even Metal's entire purpose nowadays is jobbing.
>>139911767 yeah his physicality has been ignored in recent years even Archie had Mighty be way stronger though Vector did one punch Mordred at least and got to be cool in the final Sonic Universe story. It's just odd that he should biologically be the strongest strength character since he's a croc but is outdone by Big even, like he definitely shoulda pasted Rough and Tumble.
>>139911854 >biologically The strongest characters in the series are based on tiny woodland animals lmao. Also Vector grabbed a bunch of cars in the Metal Virus arc like they were nothing.
>>139911734 I remember watching those videos by some Youtuber that talked about how Archie went from a simple gag "stop robotnik from doing something" episodic comic into the madness it becomes later. They were very passionate about it.
>>139911847 That's true, IDW doesn't treat the game cast all that well either. But Rouge is at least being her usual snarky self, Amy is upbeat, Knuckles is gruff, etc.
Whisper spends every appearance crying about her tragic past, like how Shortfuse would constantly recount his backstory in Fleetway, but much whinier. It's annoying and transparently manipulative.
>>139911914 yeah that's what I'm saying, he is the one who isn't a tinywoodland since he's a croc, though yeah was cool seeing Vector lift cars about, I'm at least happy the upcoming issue is Chaotix as they always no matter what are great whether it's games, Archie or even IDW
>>139911874 oh yeah I'm at least happy his personality is always done super well, no wonder his crushing Rabbit milf puss on the regular. It's just interesting that he's not used for more fight scenes or shown the array of capabilities he had back in Hero's
>>139912050 I would literally watch the Chaotix just shopping for groceries or trying to decide what film to watch, that's just how good their dynamic and individual personalities are.
>>139912089 Espio would want them to watch some Kurosawa or the Gamera Trilogy, Vector probably some romance film so he can touch up his technique or some schlocky action film and Charmy would pick the same movie each night and every night he can
>>139912154 Espio wanting to watch samurai dramas is a given. Charmy probably just wants to watch cartoons and yeah Vector would probably want shlocky action or romance.
>>139911716 >Many of the fangames I'm trying have Sally use her as a weapon >Sally fucking chucking PDA Nicole straight into Robotnik's face as hard as she can lel Also where are you finding these fangames?
>>139913998 Two of them, the SatAM RPG and Sonic Transitions(it's a small platformer with two stages) I've found on https://www.sonicfangameshq.com/forums/tags/satam/ The other two are this RPG called Twisted Mettle https://knuckleschaotix.net/twisted.htm and Chronicles of Acorn, another RPG that was someone posted a download link in one of these threads. They're all pretty basic but I've been having fun with the novelty of seeing those characters having game mechanics made around them.
>>139908199 >Question I've watched it a few times, it was pretty good. I prefer Archie though >Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Note Imagine a corrupted ME and a sexy corrupted Knuckles! >>139908242 Giant grippers! >>139908402 That's so bizarre >>139908455 Thanks Konductor!
>>139914240 A Sonic Chronicles that doesn't feel, sound or look like rushed garbage would be welcome to me. I did like how much Cream broke the game though if you found the chao that removed MP costs.
>>139914251 It was really fun going around doing quests but the game had absolutely no depth. The fact that it was so short was also annoying >>139914263 Yeah, attaching that one meant you could always use her healing, which was easily the most difficult stylus minigame
>>139914383 I'm still tickled to this day by the game's "ending" where Sonic and Tails just gush about how cool the Bioware devs are. Just... hilarious.
>>139914251 I liked how Sonic and Rouge actually got on and were fun, Amy lying about having a BF was dumb though and don't like the Gizoids being connected to Echidna's, liked the stuff with the Nocturne clan besides that and they felt way more sensible/believable as an advanced culture then the Archie equivalent.
>>139907749 If you mean Rotor with Buns or Nics, one could say so, but I would think mine personal ships are way, but WAY beyond the crackship territory, and being the sexually frustrated Rotor fan myself, it do be like that.
>>139905575 >Tastes great... less filling! Prime Rotor character right there. Fuck yes.
To clear up some of the stuff with Archie Nicole: her existence is a bootstrap paradox, meaning there's no clear beginning or end to the loop. We know that she's supposedly sent from the future by Rotor to the past Sally, but that first requires Rotor to reclaim what was left of Nicole from the past who gets destroyed during the final fight with Robotnik in order to reverse-engineer Nicole back to functionality then send her into the past in order to ensure the events needed to recreate her can come to pass. This technically means then that we have no idea where the 'original' Nicole comes from, the one at the very start of the loop - and she most likely has no origin at all.
The nature of the bootstrap loop also means that to a certain degree, the events of 20YL would have to come about At some point in order to ensure that Nicole is sent to the past so her broken parts can be used to restore her to send her to the past.
>>139911767 Vector can also canonically breathe fire. Somehow.
>>139911854 >even Archie had Mighty be way stronger In fairness, Archie treats Mgihty as just being a few steps behind Knuckles in physical strength, so Vector was never going to get anywhere close to him in raw power. That, and Mighty's whole thing is that out of the Chaotix, he's their biggest bruiser with Vector being second place.
>>139910640 The Wachowski family are the best version of Sonic's family and Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles being brothers is absolutely their best characterization in any continuity. Also, Knuckles should be freed from Angel Island Hell and anyone who thinks he should be doomed to that life is a retard.
>>139915115 >Nicole is a temporal anomaly made from her own corpse ... Y'know, that might explain what the fuck is going on with GotF Nicole and why she's such a terrifying nightmare monster. This one went through one too many loops and became a bit peculiar.
>>139915174 oh Knuckles really should be free of that cursed stone, honestly Sega should have the balls to just have it get destroyed utterly and permanently so he can be free
>>139915145 I forget who was strength wise stronger of the two cause Mighty threw tanks and ripped Snively's mech's arm off and beat it to pieces with it but Knuckles seems like the more trained fighter and has more raw power since he can go energy and his green phase.
>>139915254 They probably weren't, but it's what you ultimately get from the narrative presented to us. Nicole can't be recreated in the future until she's sent into the past and in order to get sent into the past, she has to be recreated in the future.
>>139915277 Knuckles probably edges him out only slightly in raw physicals. Where Mighty is left behind is in Chaos Energy manipulation, where Knuckles can turn into a literal God and "the most powerful chaos user on all of Mobius".
>>139915300 They really make you want to down a whole bottlefull of aspirin.
>>139915318 I meant Enerjak not energy my bad, also yeah that seems to be the case, crazy how much of a power buff he got in Archie where he's usually outclassed by Shadow or loses his agency when he should be able to help Sonic out in fights/the plot
>>139911250 I would point to any arc in Sonic Universe if we're talking Archie and the few spin-ff games if we mean game continuity. Nobody but Sonic has really done anything for the last decade and a half.
>>139915273 Honestly, they're basically perfect. No being absent from their kids' lives almost entirely, no sending them away in accordance to a sketchy prophecy, no fucking microwaving, no retarded politics, no being unaware of their kids powers, etc. They just accept the fact that they're a family whose children could probably cause an apocalypse on accident and that's no big issue.
It's really saying something that the only ones who even come close to them are Bernadette and Jules, and sadly, those two get overshadowed by just how terrible other parents in Archie are.
Antoine actually was wearing pants in the previous panel since they colored his legs gray. Sonic apparently shredded his pants in the process though since they're gone afterwards.
>>139915366 funny enough the same film also has Longclaw, who despite limited screentime and also dying, seems like a pretty solid mother figure to Sonic before the Wachowski's
>there are people who unironically want movie sonic to be a carbon copy of the games These people are so boring man. I get wanting some traits to be consistent but having another 1:1 is boring, espically when this is an AU. Why can't this Sonic be a family oriented guy? I can see him once older as an adult going around the world adventuring, but he would totally text/call his family all the time, and even visit them in a couple of seconds.
>>139915501 Oh totally. Movie Sonic is basically his own character and a pretty charming little family-first dudebro at that. The people that just want him to be like the games are bakas.
>>139915471 she's a character I've really grown to like a ton despite how minor she is despite big lore stuff for the films, actually want to commission a fair bit of her since have plans for her in AU
>>139915501 I should rewatch the two films sometime as I do remember liking how they did his personality and his dynamic with Knuckles and Tails a fair bit also
>>139915523 True dat. Something I really would like to see in actual progression of the characters and their lives. Since obviously, Sonic has gotten older between both movies and even grew taller. That would be cool, seeing sonic grow up from a kid to young adult. Would be kino. >>139915539 One thing I find funny is people who still think he's 100% like his first film self and not more open and adventureous in the second as a way to discredit him lol
>>139915174 >>139915256 Yeah, if they're not going to do anything with the Master Emerald, they might as well have it get destroyed. It hasn't been relevant in decades, and it's not like they're ever going to have Knuckles use it to cancel out the Chaos Emeralds and depower a villain, since a climactic showdown between the villain and Super Sonic would be more interesting.
Hell, Knux could then go off and try searching for some other echidna ruins or something and that could then lead to an interesting plotline.
>>139916525 I wouldn't even mind if they have a big bad use it one last time for something but it leads to the villain and that big hunk of rock being atomised, maybe tie it in to Echidna stuff or the Ancients and how they connect to Echidna's more and you could get some progression for Knux
>>139916701 even as a big Frontiers enjoyer and who liked most of the DLC, this whole section was inexcusable and was the only time in the whole game I dropped it to easy for those lovely increased parry frames
How big is Eggman's family across all the continuities?
>Grandfather - Gerald Robotnik >Mother - Mama Robotnik >Cousin - Maria Robotnik >Nephew - Snively Robotnik >First Son - Metal Sonic >Second Son - Robotnik Jr. >Third Son - A.D.A.M. >First Daughter - E.V.E. >Second Daughter - Belle >Third Daughter - Sage
>>139916809 >First Son - Metal Sonic >Second Son - Robotnik Jr. >Third Son - A.D.A.M. >First Daughter - E.V.E. >Second Daughter - Belle >Third Daughter - Sage Damn, Eggman fucks.
>>139916809 Don't forget phage >>139917575 >>139917559 >>139917604 >hates treasure hunters who take from dead cultures >is one himself Knuckles being a treasure hunter never made sense to me and is just hypocritical on his part
>>139917872 I just really hate the state of things and im only in the fandom just to be with you guys. >>139917878 Mighty and Ray are nothing characters but their archie selves are the only time they have something. Otherwise, they're kinda meh.
>>139917898 that's fair suppose, happy you enjoy our company at least, just found it funny yours was the first response I got XD Also yeah Archie Mighty and Ray was them at their best, cause they had been unused for decades essentially that was ample for writers to go wild fleshing them out and providing narrative for them.
>>139917836 >>139917858 Alternatively, Vector and Tumble bond over being rejected by Vanilla while Rough is trying (and failing) to best Cream in children's party games
>>139917898 >Mighty and Ray are nothing characters That's to be expected when they were left out of the entire Modern continuity. Still, their characterizations from Archie are pretty solid and so was their appearance in Mania, both game and animated shorts.
>>139917955 I actually don't mind that idea, besides Vanilla will come around the Vector. I love stuff where villains just have casual moments or vibe with hero's for a bit, though depends on bad guy and Rough trying to best a child is the stupid asshole antics I love
>>139917972 ha thanks, I've had moments where i've not been chill but overall these rides have been fun to hang with fans and also mellow out on being opinionated
>>139915501 Those people are idiots. Wachowski being the Sonic most concerned with his family and being a kid before a hero is what makes him stand out. He doesn't have the same raw adventure or wanderlust that other Sonic's do and that's fucking refreshing when contrasted with IDW & Prime, two of the MOST adventure-obsessed variants of Sonic and by far the most obnoxious because of it.
Movie Sonic and his brothers being small town boys is a welcome change.
>>139916525 >>139916560 The one major thing they've had it do is guide the Ancients to Mobius in Frontiers, but they never fucking follow up on what that meant or why it was around before the chaos emeralds. It's similar to the Gaia Temples in that it's a big unknown they COULD expand upon, but they won't - so Knuckles is doomed to be glued at the hip to the thing.
>>139915233 GotF Nicole is a whole other kettle of fish, with as yet no Bootstrap Paradox but an implied horrifying origin which might mirror Tikal ,Sonic's and Vennies' deaths and conversion into an incorporeal form.
>>139917802 Since Tailstube is here, can I just fucking say that I hate the retards trying to push "Islanders" as the Modern continuity name for Mobians? It literally does not make sense and just comes across as people forcing it because SoJ claims all mobians are restricted to islands in the games.
>>139915115 I have a simpler explanation, the first miniseries, as well as this "Everything old is newt again" is part of an alt-continuity, the one where they sent Nicole to the Prime timeline, and that Dr. robotnik visit to meat his computer alt-self later.
The Nicole of that timeline come from the comic explained in "Everything old is newt again" and they create a new version Nicole that they then send in the Prime timeline.
>>139917802 So, this game is canon again, now. >>139917834 I think it's the first tailstube to fully do that, though. And it's nice that they are acknowledging this character again. And Gemrl too.
>>139920177 Not, "restricted", but "mostly live there" (and also on that other planet where they do racing, somehow). It's not a strict rule and more of a trend.
explain why we don't see a lot of mobians where humans lives.
>>139920177 I will continue saying mobian no matter what because I like it, and it has the effect of making those who go with Isl*nders into a seething rage. which is funny to see.
>>139920381 >Not, "restricted", but "mostly live there" It's the same thing for all intents and purposes. It's a hasty bullshit reasoning to keep Mobians and humans separate just like Two Worlds was.
They aren't even consistent with it either. Forces shows that Mobians were and still are the majority of the populace to the point they were the only ones fighting against Eggman after he conquered 99% of the planet and were the only ones being shown slaving away for his factories. In IDW, there's not a single human to be found even in countries/continents ostensibly full of them per Tailstube like Spagonia - not even GUN exists. And Prime similarly shows that humans are a non-concept and only Mobians exist anywhere.
>>139920431 >It's the same thing for all intents and purposes. a hasty bullshit reasoning to keep Mobians and humans separate just like Two Worlds was. Not really. allow for way more actual mixing. and it stem from all the classic games taking place on islands. it's as simple as that.
>>139920177 >>139920414 >Islanders >Terrans >Nermies >Worldians >Animals >Beastmen >Animal People It's impressive just how fucking terrible every alternative to Mobians stupid people/schizos try to push is. Not a single one feels organic or like the name a proper species would have, but you still get people in the fan base insisting that you can't use Mobians because reasons.
>>139920431 >And Prime similarly shows that humans are a non-concept To be fair, Prime entirely take place on different versions of greenhill zone, which is located on an island.
As anon said, the mobian islands thing is just another two worlds thing as to just not have them in the same place at the same time. It's kinda bullshit to think them interacting is this rare thing. Like IDW has all mobians and rarely any humans, even in the issue in an unleashed location.
>>139920479 I guess. But if I were you tho, I wouldnt get rageful as you would be as bad as anyone else seething at another term. Just use what you like and go on with your day.
>>139920461 >Not really. Please explain how they're different then.
>allow for way more actual mixing. Anon, where are you getting this from? Back when mobians were treated as the singular dominant species on the planet, there was still tons of interaction between them and humanity - to the point all mobians shared a universal hatred of Overlanders barring specific exceptions like Lupe's adopted kids, Hope, or Nate Morgan. Ironically, every since they insisted on the islands bullshit, we have actually gotten LESS Mobian and human interaction.
>and it stem from all the classic games taking place on islands. The Classic's games only used islands as some of the locations. For most of them, we have no fucking clue where they were set or in CD's case, it's on another planet entirely.
>>139920504 >It's kinda bullshit to think them interacting is this rare thing. The whole point of the Island thing is precisely that it doesn't have to be that way. That they live in the same world precisely mean that more interactions can be seen. All the Islands explanation does is explain why we haven't seen them interacting much in the previous game, but it doesn't have to remain that way. So, no, it's not like the "two worlds" explanation at all.
>>139920479 >beastmen It's funny to me how a good portion of pre-genesis wave archie side characters genuinely were man-animal hybrids that look nothing like sonic characters. Also >world where god-like power is tied to "chaos" energy Where have I heard that before
>>139920548 see>>139920573 Them living on the same planet allow for far more mixing in future games than the "two worlds" explanation.
> there was still tons of interaction between them and humanity - to the point all mobians shared a universal hatred of Overlanders I am talking solely about the game canon. Which is the canon Tailstube is about. The whole point is that it'll allow more interactions just like the comic.
>The Classic's games only used islands as some of the locations Yeah but it's whee the "mobians live on Islands" concept stem from.
>>139920573 I completely understand that certain areas would have a higher and lower population of mobians/humans ratio. That makes sense. The problem is when they refuse to have a majority of both seen living and interacting at the same time.
>>139920492 The only Shatterspace that's 1:1 explicitly just a distorted version of Green Hills is New Yolk City. Boscage Maze is a seemingly endless jungle world, No Place is an ocean world with minimal land, and the Grim is an endless desert stretching into the horizon. In both cases excluding the Grim, mobians seem to be the dominant lifeform. Humans just flat out aren't a thing outside of Eggman.
>>139920573 >That they live in the same world precisely mean that more interactions can be seen. How ironic then that nothing following the Two Worlds/Islands mandate came about has displayed this. In fact, they actively seem to be working to erase the idea that non-Eggman humans are a thing, with only the Egg Memos in Frontiers even acting as proof that they're still around.
>>139920623 >The only Shatterspace that's 1:1 explicitly I think it make implicit all the other locations are too. though in the pirate world, they might have stirred away from it for quite a bit.
>How ironic then that nothing following the Two Worlds/Islands mandate came about has displayed this >>139920620 >The problem is when they refuse to have a majority of both seen living and interacting at the same time. Tailstube "island-mainland" explanation was only introduced recently so we have yet to see how they will integrate it in future games. It's too early to call it out yet. There is nothing Ironic, there, it just hasn't gotten material to follow and apply that new canon too (No, the IDW continuity being part of the game continuity is bullshit and we all know it, same with the Prime cartoon)
>>139920610 >Them living on the same planet allow for far more mixing in future games than the "two worlds" explanation. What you aren't getting is that this was already the case. SA2, Unleashed, etc. Mobians have always shared a planet in the games until Iizuka went full retard. And in Archie, which is the only piece of media to show them interacting in depth (which is why I bring if up), Mobians have tons of interactions with humans even as the dominant species on the planet.
My problem is that they're claiming mobians are a fucking minority outside of the islands but are so unwilling to commit to that they instead have it so mobians are fucking everywhere even in places that ostensibly belong to the humans, and the humans are nowhere to be found. At that point, why not just make the fucking mobians the dominant lifeform like in Archie? Why insist that they're relegated to the islands or surrounding areas when that clearly isn't the case?
>I am talking solely about the game canon. Which is the canon Tailstube is about. The whole point is that it'll allow more interactions just like the comic. Please show me one (1) non-Eggman human interaction in IDW.
>Yeah but it's whee the "mobians live on Islands" concept stem from. And nobody paid lip-service to that concept until Tailstube came out. Hell, they don't pay lip-service to it even now.
It's blatantly obvious that the "islands" shit is just another excuse to keep humans and mobians from ever interacting with each other.
>>139920600 Xorda gene bombs are a hell of a drug.
>Where have I heard that before Difference is that 40k Chaos is fundamentally evil, whilst Sonic chaos can mostly be used for good unless it's intentionally corrupted by external forces.
>>139920706 >What you aren't getting is that this was already the case. SA2, Unleashed, etc. Mobians have always shared a planet in the games until Iizuka went full retard. Yes, nothing I have said is contradicted by that. What point are you trying to make?
>My problem is that they're claiming mobians are a fucking minority outside of the islands As we have seen in the games so far.
>mobians are fucking everywhere even in places that ostensibly belong to the humans That has only been the case in Force, really where Humans are simply nowhere to be seen. i think it's one of those things you are supposed to broom under the carpet. Like most of Force, actually.
>Please show me one (1) non-Eggman human interaction in IDW. see>>139920704 >(No, the IDW continuity being part of the game continuity is bullshit and we all know it, same with the Prime cartoon)
>And nobody paid lip-service to that concept until Tailstube came out. Hell, they don't pay lip-service to it even now. No actual games as come out since that tailstube episode, anon. Excpet Murder of Sonic, which clearly take place in a Mobian-centric location.
To actually clear this up: Iizuka has outright stated that Forces was built as an "alien" and animal world/another dimension, which is why there were no humans. Because they literally did not exist.
How does this work with Tailstube stating GUN was a thing that Eggman destroyed during his conquest of the planet and Frontiers taking place some indeterminate, but not too long, point in time after Forces complete with semi-functional Forces Death Egg Robots? It doesn't! Iizuka and SoJ didn't give a shit that they were contradicting both the main series and spinoff material by continuing to treat Forces as canon - they don't give enough of a damn about continuity to do so, no matter what empty platitudes they give fans.
Incidentally, this is also why both IDW and TMoS are set in seemingly Mobian-only worlds (to the point in the latter, Barry has little knowledge of humans despite them ostensibly being a thing that exists). Because those settings are made with the assumption that only Mobians exist on the planet due to being post-Forces/Frontiers media.
>>139920913 I think people need to realize the canon will never make sense even with all this "fixing" lately. So it shouldn't be something to care much about. >>139920927 CUTE!
>>139920913 >How does this work with Tailstube stating GUN was a thing that Eggman destroyed during his conquest of the planet I do'nt think Tails actually stated that. And it works with it being a retcon trying to reconciliate the events of the Adventure games and the Event of Force. They decided to throw away the part of Force indicating there are no humans.
>>139920801 >As we have seen in the games so far. Wrong. In Forces, the game where Eggman took over the entire fucking planet, we are given a world map of the entire globe that you move across between each zone and guess what? Even in vastly different locales (almost all of which are unreachable by anything short of plane), ONLY Mobians are shown existing in each. This is to the extent that the final big battle where 80% of the Resistance dies only ever depicts an army of Mobians charging Eggman's forces.
Again, per word of Iizuka, Forces was only ever envisioned as a Mobian-only world and because of SoJ's retardation, Forces is being used as the basis for all non-Movie Sonic media. Meaning that the IDW continuity, games, and Prime are only ever going to be Mobian-only worlds regardless of what Tailstube claims - the games especially. Humans don't show up because humans don't exist as far as SoJ is concerned. The islands stuff is just an elaborate string of bullshit to vaguely handwave the lack of humans in lieu of their actual reasoning.
>>139921023 >I do'nt think Tails actually stated that. It's in the episode where he invites Orbot. It's outright stated that GUN got demolished offscreen, which is why they were nowhere to be seen during the war.
>>139921054 He's working on the games scripts', has Prime as another thing he gives advice on, and will probably be put on tap for whatever new comic Sega cooks up. For IDW proper, he hasn't been chief writer in a good while and almost certainly just wants to wash his hands of it.
>>139921086 >Wrong. In Forces, see>>139920801 >That has only been the case in Force, really where Humans are simply nowhere to be seen. i think it's one of those things you are supposed to broom under the carpet >>139921023 >And it works with it being a retcon trying to reconciliate the events of the Adventure games and the Event of Force. They decided to throw away the part of Force indicating there are no humans.
>It's in the episode where he invites Orbot Oh, yeah, he does. But again, consider the absence of humans have been retconned. It's Force. it cotnradict a lot of stuff set by the previous game. Of course, the tailstube trying to set the canon right will sacrifice a lot of the stuff set by Force. It's he easy lamb to sacrifice.
>>139921247 You can get what is going on in the sonic games without having seen any Tailstube video, though.
Tailstube is more for people who are already already seeking more lore info on the internet in the first place. Fun aside, but it's basically the same with the Kirby game. Now that's a DEEPEST LORE franchise.
>>139921247 Depending on the thing, it can be done in a way that's not totally tasteless - even better if the thing in question explains itself sufficiently without necessarily needing to engage with the spinoff or outside media. In this case though? It's fucking godawful.
>>139921289 You literally cannot know what the fuck people mean by "Islanders" or whatever without Tailstube. You don't even know what happened to GUN without Tailstube.
Hell, you need both Episode Shadow and an out-of-game comic to even tell lyou why Infinite is seething at Shadow so fucking much to begin with.
>>139921321 >- even better if the thing in question explains itself sufficiently without necessarily needing to engage with the spinoff or outside media Which is the case with Talstube.
>You literally cannot know what the fuck people mean by "Islanders" or whatever without Tailstube. And you won't be confused if you don't know that when playing any sonic games. What's your point?
>Hell, you need both Episode Shadow and an out-of-game comic to even tell you why Infinite is seething at Shadow Man, if you keep telling that Force is full of non-sensical issues, all you will get from me is constant agreement.
>>139921337 It's more like they actually only started to care about consistency after Force.
>>139921438 I know, that's why I put it in quotations. It's just the retarded term that dumbasses have come up with because they're scared/mad over just calling them Mobians.
>They have yet to come up with one. They literally never will.
>>139921417 >It's more like they actually only started to care about consistency after Force. That remains to be seen. They still seem to be all over the place and not fully committed to one thing. The only thing they're all in on is Sonic and his three friends.
If you're gonna base your decision on the fact one branch of the enemy tree has a firm gender identifier as a name... Maybe draw the one that looks like where the name came from?
>>139922008 >Really doubt patreon comics are raking that much cash. What, and mainstream comics are? Please, IDW itself is on the verge of shuttering. At least Evan is a singular person who only has to worry about her own costs of living and supplies. A publishing house has to deal with significantly more than that.
>Any person like having a stable income option. As Patreon themselves were harshly reminded of a few years ago, one dollar monthly donations may not seem like a lot, but it is the vital lifeblood of any content creator's operation.
>>139922647 That's actually a partial reason, but another is that they're clearly from scanned pages. You can tell when a darker color on a page has weird, circular artifacts. It's upscaling the page but not doing a good job of every part of it.
>>139914874 That's just what I enjoy generally, yeah. I'm gay, so I go for father/son relationship, but through byproduct, I enjoy it as well. I have nothing but a lot of fondling love for such heart-warming dynamic.
There could be really more kind of art like that, but alas. I'm not straight, but Nicole is made for having her day offs along his (coincidentally the technical true father) daddy waddy. Meant for getting the warmth and belonging as the docile dudette is she, shining into the blubbery heart of our fave. walrus. Sexually-wise and whatnot.
>>139914889 Sure does he, thirsty bud, but don't let it rob your true and forever OTP, my bro. R, and R, our sharing ship that is. :3
>>139922452 Long story short, they tried to raise the minimum donation amount via roundabout bullshit. The backlash was mighty, and they rolled it back pretty much immediately. It wasn't nearly as bad as what Unity recent did, but still. You can't just screw over creators and supporters like that.
>>139922901 Razor is an odd example of a character that by all means should have exploded in popularity on R34. Its like he was simply introduced at the wrong time, when no one was looking at the comic.
>>139923047 >Its like he was simply introduced at the wrong time, when no one was looking at the comic. That's every Post-Genesis character sadly. The only ones with even a little bit of fandom fame are Eclipse and Gold because of the Hedgehogs they're attached to.
>>139921973 As of Rappi Rangai vol 3, there is at least, one male Kunoichi. A mid traveling Harem Manga with a side of horny battle shounen probably isn't the best example though.
>>139923470 Seriously. What a fuckin' crock. Additionally, said dead canon was overall pretty damn good. I maintain that Post-Genesis Wave Archie was excellent, and its setting well put together and fun.
>>139922481 >>139922818 I didn't actually upscale any of these pages, although I did use AI to remove the jpeg compression rtefacrs >>139922901 We truly do have the best taste! Love ya too Rotor-bro! >>139923047 It's not fair ;_; >>139923141 They absolutely had to know >>139923169 They do overcomplicate his design
>>139908199 Archie Sonic #19-20 Note: When this thread archives, the next thread won’t be made until tomorrow at 7pm EST. Thread will go back to Archie Ride numbering tomorrow.
Today we’re only doing two issues because tomorrow we’ll be doing the Sally miniseries. But today is a pretty important issue as it’s the first appearance of… Eggman?! And the return of another one of Sonic’s most iconic villains. And then… the introduction of the most infamous character in all of Archie! Mr. Penders’ Wild Ride continues!
Question: Aside from Robotnik, who’s your favorite enemy so far in these early issues.
>>139924636 For those that know about Eggman's origin, this is all looking very familiar. >>139924614 They look cool and are pretty dopey. >>139924616 He's pretty cool.
This issue just reminds be how unfun prime's dealing of the multiverse is. literally no alt sonics either. makes it extra lame >>139924707 I claim regular sonic!
>>139924707 ENTER ROBO-ROBOTNIK >>139924651 Sorry anon but it's inevitable. >>139924661 Too bad he's incapable of, programmed against, and knows it's illegal to smile.
>>139924668 >For those that know about Eggman's origin, this is all looking very familiar. Deepest lore! >>139924707 Claiming Bara Sonic and Wolverine Sonic!
>>139924759 I will forever hate these activities that led to kids mutilating their comics. That includes the pages where you use it to order more comics. Because I did that.
>>139924785 What a surprisingly development! >>139924736 >Deepest lore! To see the origin of a lot of stuff that will be important and brought back in the future is crazy.
>>139924712 ;_; >>139924723 It's such wasted potential. I still enjoy it though >>139924733 There he is, Dr. Ian Droid! >Too bad he's incapable of, programmed against, and knows it's illegal to smile. It's not fair ;_; >>139924785 >Because I did that. You monster!>>139924822 >To see the origin of a lot of stuff that will be important and brought back in the future is crazy. Yeah, seeing it all line up is a lot of fun
>>139924847 Yeah, the first Negaduck was a negatron version of Darkwing and the second and recurring Negaduck was Darkwing's evil counterpart from another dimension.
>>139924759 >Robotnik instantly tries screw over his alternative universe counterpart. Yeah that tracks. I'm sure if all the Eggmen met, the first thing they would do would pull out the guns.
>>139924852 I can't believe they got away with four fingers on Bara Sonic. Still, first appearance of a 4 toed Sonic! >>139924930 Penders sure does love his Terminator references
>>139925032 Oh no! >>139924980 Seems to be something only a Sonic can easily do. Robo-Robotnik is more powerful than normal Robotnik so he's able to as well.
>>139925032 I'm not up to speed on non-Sonic comics but that's just the Infinity Gauntlet right? >>139925054 If Jack Kirby was involved with those stories then it 100% is
>>139925061 Well, thtat's sudden. >>139925054 No it's... the part that Robo-Robotnik later inhabits to nuke his world. On second thought you're kind of right.
>>139924930 Why would Robo-Robotnik summon Scourge? Surely he is aware that he's one of the shittier evil Sonics. Maybe he's using him as a distraction.
>>139925076 >If Jack Kirby was involved with those stories then it 100% is He wasn't. He died in 94, and was probably retired at this point. This is whole sale reference to his story.
>>139925139 Yeah, that would've been fun >>139925151 I'm guessing it's from Marvel or DC. Fun fact: Locke having a dream about it is what causes him to microwave Knuckles' egg >>139925181 Oh, I meant that if Kirby was involved with the Infinity Guantlet stuff in Marvel then that's what Penders would've referenced. Penders is obsessed with Kirby, and was constantly referencing his work
>>139925218 Death by a thousand paper cuts! >>139925207 >It's been, what, six years now? Fuck. Yeah... he wasn't a saint but his love for games and the consumer will be missed.
>>139925010 Because then he'd be fighting a war on two fronts. Both of which may include that rrrrevolting rrrrodent! Who can run at like Mach 2. The Entire Multiverse is on the Agenda, after he takes over Mobius. Which can only happen after he crushes the Freedom Fighters and kills Sonic.
>>139925241 I'm still mad they never got the pages to line up properly, or even got the recolor to grade properly across the pages >>139925260 lmao >>139925290 Oh boy! I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but we'll be covering him in the Image comics crossover
>>139925335 Oh, so that means that the other characters finally get a chance to interact with each other and get up to fun shenanigans, right? ... Right? Cause that's what happened in TMoStH.
>>139925327 That and Bara Sonic! >>139925335 >In this issue... Sonic fucking dies! And people thought there were more than 20 issues of Archie! >>139925386 That's what Sonic Universe is for!
>>139925389 Now that the comic has become much more overtly a SatAM adaptation, it's funny to note some of the things lost between versions. For example, the comic doesn't really convey Kath Soucie's tendency to have Sally emphasize the second syllable in Nicole's name.
>>139925476 >Something bad happened to Sonic >All the FFs immediately lose all hope for him >Tails still believes in him hmm, this feel like it will be a reoccurring thing.
>>139925548 Big oof! >>139925501 Mite b cool >>139925502 At least he didn't fall so that a rock broke his neck. >>139925504 He's free from the unwarranted jabs and to romance Sally.
>>139925298 >Hundreds of Sonic's >Not one of them tries to kill Robotnik >FF doesn't even take him prisoner >Not one word from the IDW Antis or Conductor Hypocrites. All of you.
>>139925504 Considering Sonic was always an abusive asshole towards him, that's not terribly surprising.
>>139925476 >A very irresponsible and klutzy hero. Seriously, Sonic's "demise" is 100% his own damn fault. The arrogant idiot completely ignored Sally's warning that this was likely a trap. Dumbass.
>>139925822 That's very cute of Tails. >>139925576 After that issue where Sally and Bunnie beat Robotnik and had him tied up only to leave him, I think they just don't know what to do when they beat him so they let him go.
>our strongest soldier has died and morale is at an all time low >clearly this is the time to send out entire force on a death mission even though we have captured and could have killed robotnik several times in the past Sally is the WORST
>>139925911 >force him to surrender Or, OR!... You could shoot him in the head.
See, this is why Whisper is always crying. At some point she realized that she's in a franchise that desperately refuses to 'kill the Joker' as it were.
>>139925979 Seeing a fit Robotnik with an Elvis wig would be nice. >>139925958 I was including Sonic in that. He got himself into an obvious trap and tripped for crying out loud.
>>139924742 I believe Bollers intended it to be. Flynn decided otherwise though. >>139925260 I suspect it was moreso due the conflict in backstory: RRv1roboticized himself, conquered his universe (and seemingly killed the Freedom Fighters) and was beaten... I'm not sure where the final battle takes place. V2 roboticized himself, lost and uploaded himself to a satellite in his dimension
>>139926170 lmao, she turned iff the lights in a building she was about to blow up >>139926231 Claiming Geoffrey! Sorry Sally, but I'm afraid I was quicker on the draw!
>>139924579 Scourge would be interesting to have in the current unbeatable hyper flattering Sonic narrative Sega is pushing. As an exact mirror of Sonic they'd be forced to treat him as a high level threat that only Sonic could stop since any failure for him directly reflects on Sonic (unlike Surge and Shadow who don't literally have Sonic's exact body)
I feel real bad for sally. A lot of characters in the series having gotten alot of bad luck and she got a ton of it from all the derailment from writers. She really isn't that bad and quite decent but never deserved any of that BS.
>>139926371 Yes, this op was indeed successful. She infiltrated the facility and activated the self destruct, destroying it. Don't let meme shittery override facts, anon. Come on.
>>139926114 Regardless, Ian clearly doesn't want to be dealing with any of Penders' baggage on the topic, so he later just said that Eggman shares all the same life experiences with the original pre-50 Robotnik and by all means is the exact same guy.
>>139921438 That's because some people don't realize they never will. They always use the same nouns humans do (people, folks, ect.) in addition to using their animal names.
>>139926383 >she was pretty popular even way back in her debut Can't imagine why.
>>139926402 Seriously, girl got robbed. And frankly, it only got worse once writers actively started trying to improve on her, only for her to get accuses of being a "mary sue". Because there's no winning when it comes to female characters. The audience WILL find excuses to hate them no matter what.
>>139926571 honestly everything you said is completely right, being a Sally fan is a lot easier now but back then I'd of bet it'd been a nightmare hellscape when Archie was still running
>>139926571 >Because there's no winning when it comes to female characters. The audience WILL find excuses to hate them no matter what One of the girls in this very comic is an overpowered half robot that can do just about anything would probably solo Eggman on top of having a cool design, fun personality, silly little accent and a cute supportive boyfriend. And everybody loves her.
>>139926571 >it only got worse once writers actively started trying to improve on her making a character more likeable isn't improving them. making them better written with a compelling arc is. I will shit down the throat of anyone who thinks making a character more "likeable" is the same as making them better. usually what people have in mind is making them more plain and inoffensive
>>139926442 StC had Knuckles tag along during one of the Tails stories. It was fun, especially since Knuckles played along with Tails' lies after people mistook him for Sonic.
>>139927512 Big brother Knuckles is so rare and underrated. He's pure big brother material. That's why while I'm not completely on the bandwagon that Knuckles and Amy are siblings I like the idea of him being protective of her like she is his sister.
>>139927634 Because they have some interactions like in Generations. They also had a really good set of stories together in reboot Sonic Universe. You just need a few good moments and fans will blow it up. And I think that's fine but nobody has really done much with it. Just random gag comics where the artist thinks it's funny and cute that they're like siblings.
>>139927634 I remember a scene in X (the one where he and Sonic fight for the first time) where she teased him like a sibling in the end and their debut had them fight like siblings I feel.
