Sonic #242, Sonic Universe #45, and Time for a Comeback Today it’s all about Sonic games! We got Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, Sonic 4, and the Olympics! What? The Olympics are games and Sonic’s in it. No Mario though. And don’t worry, we have some more prelude pages for the Great Pendering of the echidnas.
Question: If you were forced to do a story tie-in for the games and given the usual list of mandates, how would you go about it? Which would you do?
>>142004940 USA USA USA >>142004919 Haven't seen it yet. Is there a classic Shadow? Would be funny considering Iizuka kept saying that there wouldn't be one.
>>142004910 >Question: If you were forced to do a story tie-in for the games and given the usual list of mandates, how would you go about it? Which would you do? I wouldn’t mind a retelling of Black Knight or Frontiers in the archie continuity if it added to the setting with merging elements from the games eith the comic exclusive lore while keeping the strong story beats and moments from the game but in comic form
>>142004910 >question Hmm, I'd say maybe how reboot handled Unleashed and involve the original characters and worldbuilding to integrate them with the game's elements? Like, if I were doing 06, have Sally attend the ceremony as a diplomatic thing at the start and make her involved with the Elise plot. >>142004958 Is that a naked babe in that pod?
>>142004988 >YOU WILL READ THE ADVERTIESMENTS AND YOU WILL LIKE IT Even at the time, the Sonic games were constantly being shat on and sold like crap. Sega has always been delusional.
>>142005033 >Now could you imagine a straight up Mobius Olympic Games? That sounds like it'd be fun. Izuka would like to know your location so he can sic his yakuza friends on you.
>>142005106 A LOT. And I’m just starting to imagine the repercussions now. Honestly, that could make for a neat AU, one where Sonic and Sally break things off for good and then Sonic meets Elise.
>>142005083 >>142005090 >>142005076 >The Next 4 Host Cities for the Mobian Olympics >New Mobotroplis >Station Square >Metropolis Zone(Eggman bribed the shit out of the IOC) >Echindaoplis
>>142004910 >Question: If you were forced to do a story tie-in for the games and given the usual list of mandates, how would you go about it? Which would you do? I have no idea
>>142005172 Logically speaking, there is nothing wrong with Mobian and Overlanders/Humans getting hitched. Especially if we are talking in the Archie timeline, where Mobians are literally 99% human or something like that.
Mobians can consent, act like humans mostly, have anatomy very similar to humans, they are literally just small humans with animal ears. What would be the problem?
>>142005260 >rouge moving in on knuckles right after julie-su is no longer allowed to show up or even be mentioned in anything Speaking of which, back to the canon stuff.
>>142004910 >Question: If you were forced to do a story tie-in for the games and given the usual list of mandates, how would you go about it? Which would you do? I'd do a Frontiers tie-in since it would 100% have more room for development even with the mandates.
>>142005299 Must be great never being afraid of heights and being able to jump from planes without a worry. >>142005274 Mobians don't need that. They have natural bullshit running through their veins.
>>142005310 Agreed. From what we saw of Knuckles in SA1, he seems duty and honor bound and takes his job seriously, having a great respect for his ancestors and devoted to protecting to one of the most powerful gems in the world.
Rogue seems like the complete opposite of all of that.
>>142005374 >the girls >not julie-su and saffron Although we still see Remington and Lien-Da. Makes you wonder if there were some agreement to allow some characters to still show up.
>>142005391 >if there were some agreement to allow some characters to still show up. Probably not, it was just too late to remove them. They were too prominent.
>>142005574 I would actually love to see Eggman as an antagonist in a bunch of other Sega franchises. >>142005527 Should've happened considering the other non-Sega characters that were in it.
>>142005654 >>142005601 >ENTER DANICA PATRICK, I GUESS? Man, remember when she was such a big deal that normies started paying attention to NASCAR? Wild. I remember... the GoDaddy commercials...
>>142005634 >>142005642 This is a real thing Izuka/Sega wanted to do. Literally call the fucking planet "Sonic's World". Never forget that these people are insane morons.
>>142005754 >Vyse having pleasant flashbacks to all the actually canon threesomes he's had in every nook and cranny of the Delphinus Shame Aika and Fina aren't in this issue, cause HOO BOY!
>>142004919 I still have no idea what the game's going to be. From the gameplay it looks like a new Shadow game, but what's with the title of Sonic x Shadow Generations? Shadow doesn't really have a ton of games to take a trip down memory lane with, so is the name implying that Shadow's going into the past of Sonic games?
>>142005849 It’s wild that Sega went with Sonic x Shadow for the game’s title lmao, so many little Timmy’s are gonna be in for a surprise when they try to look it up
>>142005917 I know it would never happen but Lien-Da should have this badass car, tricked out with Dark Legion tech and right before she wins.....the piece of crap engine explodes because it's Dark Legion tech. The race is won by....the Gunstars or Burning Rangers
>>142005979 I mean suppose yeah, every character has fans, the novelty of a villains who has been underused and dead for the longest time showing up again is admittedly hard not to enjoy
>>142005904 Agreed. Sonic All-Stars Racing might as well have been called Sega All-Stars Racing. Had characters from Super Monkey Ball, Jet Set, Samba di Amigo, Space Channel 5, and even stuff I never expected to get in, like Golden Axe, Shinobi, NiGHTS, Daytona, After Burner, etc.
>>142005983 >off-panel This was always the stupidest nitpick people ever had about the Sonic franchise. And that's saying a lot. Yeah no shit the speedster uses a car in the racing games. People just want to hate on this IP for some reason. Probably because they got brainwashed into having a fake vendetta against furries.
>>142006030 >>142006025 I was just astounded at how many race tracks there were. And the three modes for everyone and the tracks changing on the last lap. So much fun.
>>142005910 [subject] x [subject] is a very common thing in Japan to represent a crossover of some kind. Also, a game actually being called "Sonic x Shadow" is probably gonna overwrite most of the results for actual Sonic x Shadow pairings.
>>142006030 >Sonic 4 Ah yes, the game that definitively proved that the "shitty friends" meme was complete nonsense. Turns out the actual problem is that Sonic Team can't make good video games.
>>142005965 >Geoffrey: What're ya, the president of his fanclub? >Twan: No. Zhat would be your mother (whips out a file full of dirty pictures of the Geoffrey's mom and The Spy) >Geoffrey: (noises of horror) >Twan: Indeed. And now he's here to fuck us! So listen up, skunk, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing that happens to you today.
Not a fan of Sonic 4's speed and physics, because Sonic starts moving so extremely slowly. Sonic Generations has the same problem with Classic Sonic though. It feels like the creators were like, "Remember Sonic 1, and how Sonic was when he started moving?" Except they remembered wrong, because Sonic never started moving THAT slowly in the OG games.
I wish they would go back and play the original games for research before doing a 2D Sonic like Sonic 4, or Generations Classic Sonic.
I like how in Sonic 4, eggman left metal sonic to rot for the longest time. I prefer eggman treating metal like that to the son and daddy thing they do now.
>>142006135 >Sonic actually happy that Amy is hugging him WHAT THE FUCK???
>Remember Sonic CD? Sega does! Which is surprising. CD was considered one of the best in the series before it suddenly became fashionable to hate on it for no reason.
>>142006174 And that's it! There are other game tie-in comics but those come out later. Tomorrow at 7pm EST we'll head back to Mega Man. A day at the beach and Rock gets some rivals. One of them is a real Basshole!
>>142006174 Wait, Metal was stranded on Little Planet for a year? That's... actually kind of an interesting idea. Probably contributed a great deal to his betrayal in Heroes.
>>142006190 >CD was considered one of the best in the series before it suddenly became fashionable to hate on it for no reason. I played almost all of it but didn't like the exploration focus of the levels. I like the running and speed of the other Genesis Sonic games and Sonic CD really likes stopping you from running for too long.
>>142006205 >a day at the beach It's a really fun issue, but certain... let's charitably call them people, are going to be utterly insufferable about it.
>>142006190 >before it suddenly became fashionable to hate on it for no reason. I mean, have you seen that level design? Finding the generators and using the time mechanics was very clunky. It gets criticized for good reason.
Man, I really dislike how everything sonic has to be just like the games. I dont hate the games entirely but man, I like Archie Sonic having it's uniqueness and the ocasional adding game stuff to it was neat. But with reboot and beyond, cant really have that anymore. Sides the movies of course, which is the only new thing that gets my interest these days for being a unique AU.
Also hate the everything is canon thing now, like with stuff like prime somehow fitting in with stuff in a supposed timeline they got now. It's fucking cancer.
>>142006168 Sonic 4 (at least episode 1) is just a slightly modified Rush physics, but without the boost to compensate for it, so Sonic's controls end up sluggish and unfun. Some of the level design is also nothing to write home about. The minecart level was trashed and had to be reworked for a reason.
>>142006350 I would've had it take place after Eggman's schizo meltdown when everyone thinks they've won. The Freedom Fighters, the Chaotix, plus others are enjoying a hard earned vacation at the beach. Lien-Da, Conquering Storm and Regina are also there in swimsuits because something something paving the way for the Iron Dominion.
As for who draws it, who else could possibly live up to such an important issue but Butler?
>>142006347 The reboot still has its own identity. Ian using a game like Unleashed to fill in the gaps left by the lawsuit was smart. I feel like IDW would've been better if he was able to do that for those comics.
>>142006347 One thing I really like about Archie is that is uses stuff from many different sections of the franchise, like Satam, AoStH, Ova, the games, and even it's own new characters to create a weird amalgamation and it somehow works.
>>142006347 >i really dislike how everything game Sonic >i want Sonic to be like the shitty comic series Thank god for the Pendering, you guys deserve it. Enjoy your dead continuity
>>142006523 Not that anon but all I want is Sega to give a shit about the story and the characters. They have barely done that in years.
I simply praise Archie because depsite all of its flaws, it somehow manages to pull itself out of the rubble and produces some of the best stories this franchise has ever seen. Why can’t Sega do that with their games anymore?
>>142006523 Hey man, I liked Archie being that alt au you could follow with the games also existing do their own thing. Everything being the same is boring.
>>142006520 Nice. I tried to commission him once but he was so unresponsive, I was forced to give up in the end. Would love a piece of original Butler artwork but after happily agreeing to do it for me he just would never get back to me... A real shame.
>>142005862 >As Antoine lays in his hospital bed, he makes one request for Spy >Watch Bunnie for him, a fellow Frenchman >You'd think he'd ask Spy to kill Geoffery but since Geoffery ruined one of Spy's suits with his scent Spy will do it on the house
>>142006520 IAN'S GONNA FREAK Also weird that Sonic and Tails have their shoes on. Especially Sonic while in the water. Elias gripper lovers eating good though.
>>142006445 Not everything Archie did was good and there were times it was absolutely retarded, but when it gets going it makes the most batshit insane fun that you could think of.
>Fuck it, Mobius is Earth thousands of years in the future after it got genetically fucked like a Hapsburg family reunion by aliens. >King Max's friend and one of the sole few who didn't betray him or screw everyone over was a black midget scientist >Knuckles' dad is a manipulative control-freak and his stepdad is a world-class chef and sex machine
>>142006350 Mina and Nicole wind up on the beach at the same time, and resolve their differences with a tickle fight in their bikinis. Butler can draw (of course).
>>142006809 >game starts with Black Doom telling Shadow to "now wake up" >will be asked if he is willing to "throw it all away" (referring to his past) >probably taunts him about out living anyone he'll ever care about "no one can break you nobody can tear you, you'll live an endless life forever"
Thing I kinda want to see in the dlc is more info on black doom and how he even learned about the chaos emeralds in the first place. And his power to even use chaos control and shit. Low key expecting Black Doom to have been aware of the ancients on earth or suspected another race was there
>>142007395 And they didn’t even bother Archie to have Penders removed. Penders eventually left on his own accord when he couldn’t get his way anymore.
Sega is lazy and they will never replace a writer unless they fuck everything up really really really badly.
Don't get this weird panic people have for ian working on some thing thats gonna be short as fuck. Dont see how he could mess up the oh so "great' mid that is stuff from shadow's game lol. If anything, I dislike the level design that i'm seeing more. Looks to be similar to those ass cyberspace levels. already looking bad compared to the actual gens levels.
>>142007642 When people say they don't like Ian anymore it's today's much more tired and burnt out Ian compared to the fresh faced late 2000s/early 2010s Ian. He's been writing Sonic for years and years now and has gone through two universe re-writes. Though one of the main pain points some have with Ian these days is that he relies a little too much on references to older things that he thought would make 90s fans go OMG DID SONIC JUST SAY THAT, or have him mention Tangle in Frontiers.
Why does Sonic have two chilidogs in the satbk adaptation of Archie if he isn't on a date with Amy like in the games? My guess is that he just got two chilidogs from Uncle Chuck's Diner for himself. But we also never know when it takes place except another place another time like it says in the yellow boxes.
>>142005410 This was an odd point of time where despite the mess behind the scenes it's clear that the Archie Sonic books were trying to be as big of a brand themselves instead of just a simple adaptation especially with all the reprints and magazines and diegest
>>142006155 >The Sonic 4 series was supposed to be direct continuations of the series past 3&K >The looks and even this book are presented as if they're modern as Colors
>>142008362 I feel bad for him. But I don't pay for Sonic comics either so I'm not exactly a monetary supporter. Sonic comics are somehow successful so some poor fool's probably buying them.
>>142007988 Scourge probably has more raw power, but he'd spend way too much time trying to convince Fleetway Super to join him and would likely get hit with a lethal blow.
At least we're finally about to enter the Reboot. Got tired of the old universe acting so passive aggressive towards game content because it thinks it's better than the thing it's based on.
I prefer preboot flynn era over reboot but reboot is pretty cool as well. Reboot is like a stew full of a melting pot of all the different sonic continuities.
>>142005590 >Should've happened considering the other non-Sega characters that were in it. You now remember the Yogscast DLC They couldn't have picked a more forgettable Jewtuber to include in the game, the only other thing I know them for is some Kickstarter scam they apparently ran, just a few months after this too.
>>142007642 /co/ loves him mostly for Archie. People here are not wild about his writing in IDW and Frontiers and I share their sentiments about the former of the two. Frontiers is pretty decent to me. I kinda don’t blame Ian for IDW if the man has simply just given up. Why even keep on trying? Had his work reset twice and then Sega forces him to abide by dumb mandates that keeps things mostly slow and slice of life.
Ian was mostly amazing in Archie but with how things are now, idk if we will get anything like that again or if Ian is willing to try anymore.
>>142008897 Evan was great when she was working on GOTF and her art has always been on point, but she's in a similar boat to Ian where she just doesn't care anymore and is phoning it in.
>>142008831 I also prefer preboot, but reboot isn't bad at all I definitely miss the huge cast and years upon years of worldbuilding preboot had going for it, though
>>142008897 People absolutely despise Evan here. I also happen to dislike Evan as well. Comic is not interesting at all with his run so far and we are still crawling at a snails pace. Surge and Kit are suddenly going to be simply shifted to the friendlies group? Boooo. Silver is still gonna be this cutsie annoying guy that’s somehow more useless than he was in Archie? Booooo!
>>142005620 You know, Sega should have reached out to Bandai/Hasbro to have a couple of Transformers characters in this. It would have been cool having an Autobot and a Decepticon Triple Changer/multi-mode character to play as.
>>142008974 >Mandates that only he seems to heavily struggle with? Boom, Prime, and several other pieces of media have all been negatively impacted by the mandates and this is all freely available on the internet and documented as being a recurring problem when dealing with Sonic anything. Even the movies had Sega trying to muscle in and DEMAND Paramount change things needlessly until Paramount told them to fuck off.
But you very well knew this, and are 100% just parroting the same tired bait because you know people will reply.
>>142008741 >Scourge probably has more raw power kind of doubt it Super Scourge is strong but Fleetway Super Sonic is another beast on his own, especially when he's pissed (which is always)
>>142005900 >eggman is actually winning, the others being too damaged by his attacks to continue >the finish line is in sight, coming up fast >suddenly, eggman hears
>>142009009 You do know mandates have been a thing for licensed franchises before you even born, right? It's like Sonic fans didn't know that shit existed until Ian started whining about them every every chance he gets.
>>142009010 Fleetway Super Sonic is like the Hulk. He gets stronger the angrier he gets. But there's ways to depower him. The real advantage is that Scourge is an idiot. And the anarchy beryl would eventually kill him. Lots of variables.
>>142009020 That’s why I highly doubt the mandates were that enforced in that show because since WHEN does Sega allow Shadow to be THAT DECENT anymore?
The last time he was that decent was Archie and that was only because Sega didn’t give AF about what happened in that comic unless something really got messed up.
>>142008997 Oh yeah, that's another thing to mention - because you can clearly tell that the stories and characterizations in the games all got fucked sometime after 06 and became almost unfixable by the time Colors came out, and the latter half coincides with Penders fucking over Archie completely. Both events had nothing to do with Ian, but shitposters won't listen if you tell them that.
>>142009020 >They had mandates as well, but could pull off Shadow better than Ian could in his entire career. You are fucking retarded if you really believe this. Prime Shadow causes 90% of all the problems in the show by being an overly angry tard. He's only better than Boom and IDW Shadow by virtue of choosing to fix his mistakes by the end of the series. He's not decent and he's nowhere near good.
>>142009074 >You are fucking retarded if you really believe this. It's true. Now get off your high horse. I'm sorry you think Shadow's heavily OOC characterization is how he should be, but Shadow is supposed to have attitude, he was like that from day 1.
>>142009055 >You do know mandates have been a thing for licensed franchises before you even born, And outside of Nintendo garbage like Mario, almost any franchise with mandates also has them be loose enough so you can viable do things with the material. This is not the case with Sonic and we fucking KNOW this because people other than Ian have commented on the mandates - Evan has remarked on how unreasonable they are, the ENTIRE Boom crew spoke on how they couldn't use basically anything from the wider franchise, and even the Prime writers spoke about the issues with the mandates.
But again, you knew all of this. You are just baiting because you know it guarantees replies to lie and shift the goalposts. So this will be my last reply to you and I'll be ignoring anything else you post until the thread hopefully dies after your latest tantrum dies down.
>>142009074 >You are fucking retarded if you really believe this. Prime Shadow causes 90% of all the problems in the show by being an overly angry tard. He's only better than Boom and IDW Shadow by virtue of choosing to fix his mistakes by the end of the series. He's not decent and he's nowhere near good.
I’m the anon that asked the question about when was the last time we had good writing.
I’m sorry but I disagree with this point, did we watch the same show?
Shadow only really had it in him to seriously beat Sonic into a pulp until after he deleted the universe as a result of his cockiness, and then proceeded to help Sonic in any way he could, and showed genuine care for him and ran as fast as he could to save his life at the show’s finale. All the while, Shadow also was not afraid to use force against enemies. This was a very decent Shadow. Sonic caused all of the mess in the show and yet Shadow was there, willing to help him without being such an egotistical prick about it. Based.
>>142009126 Why argue with someone if you're just going to accuses people of baiting for disagreeing with you and the fucking off. Get over yourself, man. Don't engage with anyone at all if you're going to be disingenuous and cowardly.
>>142009149 >Shadow only really had it in him to seriously beat Sonic into a pulp until after he deleted the universe as a result of his cockiness Anon, Shadow is the REASON the universe got shattered in the first place. He literally punched out Sonic for no fucking reason and stopped him from making it in time before Eggman was already pulling out the prism. Sonic rushed in and shattered it because he didn't think he had time for anything else, and that's entirely because Shadow delayed him for...no clearly outlined reason beyond being an ass.
>>142009172 Not that anon but he has a point. Mandates are an issue regardless who’s writing. We could have one of the best writers in the world and throw them into the ring and they would still have problems because of Sega. Every writer before Flynn has told the same thing and at this point I’m willing to believe them all, even the Happy Tree Friends bros.
Either way, games are still doomed. Ian will either fail at writing whatever Shadow stuff he has to do by still giving up or Sega will keep his hands tied. It’s the same outcome either way so what does it matter?
>>142009219 >Not that anon but he has a point. He doesn't, he's clearly new or just ignorantly retarded when it comes to the concept of mandates. Those are universal when it comes to licensed material and do they change over time as a franchise progresses. But when it comes to licensed franchises, the writer is going to have to work around what they're given, even if they're hard to work with.
Either way, whatever was applied during the Colors to Forces era is being changed as well, so we don't know yet of what is allowed or what can be done. Ian is now in the meat of the series with the games himself and we need to see how he manages beyond Frontiers.
>>142009216 Yeah the beginning of the show feels like it’s missing a lot of context so I’m agreeing with half your point. Except I disagree with the other half because Sonic was not serious about the situation at all, and just simply wanted to win an own over Eggman without thinking things through. Even his friends yelled at him NOOOO and he fucking shatters it anyway when he is clearly fast enough to stop it.
It’s why he feels so bad about it during the rest of the show and tries to fix everything. In the words of Nine, he wouldn’t be able to live with himself. He recognized that he was way too cocky and he was at fault. That’s the whole point of Sonic’s character arc in that show… or at least… that’s what it ties to be. It doesn’t really show Sonic improve on his cockiness or his ability to think things through, and he is very manipulative towards Nine… though I guess when we are talking about desperation, I can understand that behavior a bit more. But eh. As I tried to clarify here, I didn’t like everything about this show: >>142009035
>>142005695 JUST CALL IT FUCKING EARTH, there is no problem with that. Hell, call it fucking Gaia like most fantasy IP do, makes even more sense here thanks to Unleased.
>>142009069 I don't think he did, no, and also that sounds like a mighty exaggeration considering the only time he did go super he got held down by a dogpile inside a small room
>>142009298 >sonic and tails lose their families >sonic and sally are only friends and possibly dated at one point >sally loses her mother and brother but gets a better father >she also loses her cheek tufts >bunnie and antoine get new designs and are still married >rotor gets a new design and loses his mother and brother for his father Overall Tails is the least affected. Buntoine shippers stay winning.
>>142009285 >He doesn't, he's clearly new or just ignorantly retarded when it comes to the concept of mandates So just like all of the countless people beyond Ian and this site who have bitched about the mandates working under Sega? I wonder why this doesn't happen for other companies? Hint, there's one correct answer and it has fucking nothing to do with every company having mandates.
>>142009363 >I don't think he did, no, He did. It's when he forces Sonic outside.
I'll also add that said dogpile had Silver involved, and Silver can compete with Dark Enerjak in terms of energy slinging, at least in the very short-term.
>>142009428 Other companies get pissed when their mandates are talked about openly and you probably won't work for them again. I'm actually surprised Sega lets people talk about them so casually.
>>142009416 For all intents and purposes, Sonic’s world is Mobius in the films too. They just can’t outright say it other than in novelizations or scripts otherwise Sega starts to get pissy again.
>>142009492 The novels and movies are written by different people, so trying to apply one to the other to this extent is reaching. I'll believe it when it's called Mobius in the films, although I don't see the point since the movies have it that multiple planets exist in its setting.
>>142009492 They probably could just call it Mobius if they wanted. Sega has next to no control over the movies and Paramount only pays what they say lip-service at most. If they want to do something, then Sega can only sit there and seethe.
>>142009569 >The novels and movies are written by different people They're overseen by the same creative team.
>>142009569 The planet was called Mobius in the scripts. Either way, based of Paramount to challenge Sega and their silly mandates in general. I’m looking forward to a good movie with a good version of Chadow.
>>142009478 unless you're being a vsbattle poster the fight between Silver and Enerjak wasn't exactly planetary either, he slung some not!chaos spears back at him while they're floating around in a city. Same with Knuckles' other fights as Enerjak. You can say stuff about hypothetical powerlevels but in practice none of the characters actually do planetary shit.
>>142009618 That's just because Ian doesn't really know how to depict those sorts of levels of power. Like, the story itself says that Dark Enerjak erased continents form existence with ease yet you also don't see that sort of force being thrown about.
Early stuff had Sonic and Knuckles clashing in their Super and Hyper forms respectively blowing up an entire Zone, Green Knuckles causing a multiverse wide reset in - eugh - Sonic Live, the Ancient Walkers having an entire ZONE of chaos emeralds, Mogul crushing universes/multiverses, etc.
>>142009627 One source I have at the moment is in this wiki page, check the trivia section, leads to a podcast episode about the Sonic 2’s writing and development
>>142009660 The Sonic and Knuckles zone was a small space they found in a hole, and Green Knuckles accidentally changed things by time travelling, not by reality warping. Plus I doubt he was trying to sink the continent he was on with Silver, he threw some small darts at Silver and Silver threw the darts back. Mogul I'll concede to, but he's also a good example of how stupid high powerlevel stories get when they actually attempt them.
>>142009660 Dark Enerjak was obviously toying with the heroes, he wasn't using his full power. He could have just waved his hand and erased everyone from existence if he wanted to.
>>142009691 >The Sonic and Knuckles zone was a small space they found in a hole, IIRC it's outright stated that all Zones inform their size from the Prime Zone and that one story where Knuckles and Tails get summoned before the Ancient Walkers has it said that the Prime Zone is infinite. So ergo, that Zone (whose size is never properly defined) would function under similar rules.
This is my assumption here, but I think Sonic being from a different planet in the movies was the result of the Two Worlds stuff still applying when the first one was being made.
>>142009731 right, that's how vsbattle logic works. Original story has them blow up an obstacle course in a hole, later manual says other universes are infinite, now they're infinitely strong.
But if we're just talking about intention of writer, the original intent of that wasn't that Knuckles or Silver are infinite gorillions of megatons and shit, so we can't say the intention of Silver holding Scourge down was that Scourge is gorillions of megatons of planets, it's that he got held down by a dogpile and a telekinetic guy whose usual modus operandi is throwing around robots, in a small room, and broke out without damaging the small room as collateral.
>>142009786 I honestly do want Hyper Sonic to come back, but at the same time, people are gonna not take final bosses seriously if Sonic uses Super against them and not Hyper.
>Brah, x was shit, Sonic didn't even need to go Hyper unlike with y.
>>142009816 If I had to rewrite Sonic, I’d bring back the Chaos Force concept from Archie.
A super state would be a strong connection with the Chaos Energy, but the user would not receive the full force of it. Ideal for lesser threats, less exertion on the body. Immense but not unlimited power. A handful of people are capable of using this power.
Then we have the Hyper form. A connection with the full power of the Chaos Force, true unlimited power. You are essentially a God. Only very few beings can remain this well in tune with the chaos force, and not everyone who can get to this power level can withstand and control the power for long. In short, you could just die if your body cannot hold that kind of power or if you use it for too long. You disintegrate.
Perhaps Sonic could be the only person in the universe who could stay in this form indefinitely, as he is the chaos factor of the plane of existence that he resides in.
>>142009886 It’s a borrowed concept from Archie I’m suing for this example, might be subjected to change. Sonic is canonically (in those comics) to be the most chaotic being in existence by simply existing. It’s why he always prevails. Eggman is also the opposite of that force, and it’s supposedly how he am angels to always get away in the end. Though that sometimes turns into a very cheap cop out that got abused a few times.
>>142009950 Maybe, I’ll probably come up with something better with my AU idea. I only brought this up for further conversation because why the hell is Sega saying no to Hyoer but is fine with Cyber Sonic 1 Cyber Sonic 2, etc. Like pick a lane. I’d prefer the gay Archie stuff that only has two forms than having a Sega-approved Dragon Ball Z scale that goes into affect whenever it’s convenient.
>>142009980 I don't think Evan would be able to deal with it, it would mean she'd have even less elbow room to work with all her precious LGBT themes than she currently does.
I'm not being hyperbolic there, she can't NOT include LGBT characters in her work.
>>142009955 I will only agree that Ian’s current works are either not to the height of where they were in Archie or they are just straight up sub par or bad. Dude has likely given up after being forced to start over twice and then to play by the rules too much.
Younger Ian rocked it in Archie and you cannot convince me otherwise.
>>142005074 They had those small format Sonic Archives paperbacks that collected 4 issues per, but stopped when the series was canned so they only collected up to like issue #85 or somewhere around there. I have a box of them and lots of single issues somewhere, I should go back and reread.
>>142009955 I’m not a psycho who gets that upset with writers of a fictional property to wish death on them, plus Sega’s tight leash in regards to what can be done with Sonic and inability to focus, experiment effectively or quality control the series to a consistent degree is a bigger issue
The Shadow line where Shadow says he will snap Eggman like a twig and use him for kindling was unironically cool but Butler's art in that part just ended up not looking great for Shadow. It's easy not to see how weird and bad certain parts of Archie's art looks when you are reading it through but then you see some of it posted on social media and it stands out a lot more when on its own.
It’s common knowledge that villains have to be constantly plotting against each other, even if they’re “working” together. And AI Sally seems to be curious about Metal Sonic. Some things never change.
