Sonic Universe #21-24 The girls take center stage as they join forces to retrieve a Sol emerald. Blaze needs to save her world and Amy and Cream are willing to help! What about Rouge? Not really. Shadow? It’s complicated. Nack and the Hooligans? Haha, nope. The Rogues? This comic is getting crowded!
Question: Why is Blaze considered an alternate universe version of Sonic? Is it the speed thing? She seems to have more in common with Knuckles what with being a guardian that can tap into the powers of the emeralds.
>>141693945 >Question: Why is Blaze considered an alternate universe version of Sonic? Is it the speed thing? She seems to have more in common with Knuckles what with being a guardian that can tap into the powers of the emeralds. Burning Blaze is a color inversion of Super Sonic with a red body and gold eyes for one.
>>141693995 I get the feeling that if the Preboot universe continued, Vanilla would have needed heart medications with how often Cream get herself in danger.
>>141693945 >She seems to have more in common with Knuckles Yeah but unlike Knuckles she can actually carry the thing she's guarding instead of being anchored to it.
Also, just to get this out there from the jump, the problem us Rouge fans have with this storyline is not that she's being selfish, it's that she's being borderline sociopathic. It's more of a "Wait, no, not like that!" kind of thing.
>Question: Why is Blaze considered an alternate universe version of Sonic? I don't actually remember where this idea came from, come to think of it.
>>141693953 I’m surprised they even gave him a warning before they open fired. Nega blew up most of your headquarters guys. You are basically at war with him. He’s way past the point of surrendering to you.
>>141693945 >Question: Why is Blaze considered an alternate universe version of Sonic? Is it the speed thing? She seems to have more in common with Knuckles what with being a guardian that can tap into the powers of the emeralds. Because people who haven't played the Rush games think they're hard rivals. That and they're the heroes of their respective worlds.
>>141693980 I don’t think they are exactly the same person for obvious reasons but they are counterparts in the cosmic sense, opposites that manage to come together strongly and all that
>>141694126 POOOOOR AMY ROSE Then again, she's smart in thinking she has a chance if Sonic and Sally break up for the umpteenth time. But by then it'll be too late and nobody wins.
>>141693974 >Vanilla: I had a literal mansion with servants, exquisite blood-champagne with extra blood, and all the finest food. Now I'm stuck in this hovel. Disgraceful
>>141693978 Now you're making me imagine a cat MILF version of Locke, and I hate how much I like that. >>141694144 Amy, girl, this is even sadder than your Game and X versions.
If you had to implement one thing from Archie into the games, what would it be? Mine would be Monkey Kahn, his search for the other "kahns" and the Iron Dominion.
>Sonic meets a wayward monkey king exiled from his native kingdom and assists him in restoring peace to his kingdom by finding the other "kahns," sealed away in vaults across his land. >Eggman is working with the Iron Dominion, an industrial powerhouse that seeks to harvest the powers of the kahns to become an unstoppable machine empire.
>>141694168 Blaze's being characterised as in Rush while already being beyond the point of Rush adventure is a but off-putting, but that's what happens when you don't get the time to do an actual comic adaptation.
>>141694182 Rouge, my beloved. ... Who gets done a bit dirty in this arc. She gets better! Flynn wasn't yet dead inside, so he took this criticism on the chin.
>Surely she will be a good friend this story! To be honest, yes. It's just that Team Rose aren't her friends.
>>141694266 Damn. That's a powerful and sexy team right there. >>141694252 I guess she never got that development in Archie. Or she's still like that around strangers.
>>141694362 basically: a lot of his wack ass plots he suggested for sonic got rejected, but when he pitched them as knuckles stories he was given the green light
>>141694379 >>141694356 Because she's willing to let Blaze's world die to complete a mission... or to have a new gem to add to her collection. Definitely not good friend material.
>>141694356 >>141694410 Exactly. The problem isn't that she's trying to steal the Sol Emerald, it's that she's doing so while knowing full well that her actions are endangering an entire planet. She's a selfish bitch, yes, but she's not a fucking sociopath.
>>141694356 She knows that the Sol Emeralds keeps Blaze’s world alive yet she doesn’t care. She crosses a line in this story. She is usually written as greedy but never going so far as to kill people for jewels.
>>141694383 >A game where Eggman unleashes his Egg Bosses across the world and Sonic goes on a grand adventure to defeat them >Crocbot is the first Egg Boss and, being the first boss of the game, is very easy to beat >Crocbot appears a mini-boss throughout the game, always "upgraded" to be "tougher" and harder. >No matter what, Sonic defeats him easily everytime. >The last boss is Crocbot merging himself into Eggman's central computers and preparing to destroy everyone and everything by activating the doctor's doomsday weapon
I will say though, much as it annoys me that Rouge is being a bit of a turbo bitch in this story, the ending does rectify that. Again, it definitely feels like Flynn saw the criticism and took steps to correct the mistake by turning it into character development. Turns out Team Dark is just as good for her as it is for Shadow.
>>141694474 Rouge isn't evil like that, that is very clearly not at all in her character, she steals and that but she always helps save the day or has humanized moments with people she does like such as when she finds the Shadow androids in heroes
>>141694744 ... Okay, I will be the first to wank Rouge's surprisingly versatile powerset, but even I didn't think she had the ability to outright summon gems like that. Out of someone else's hand, even!
>>141694266 I hate how useless Ian writes Cheese. He's supposed to be strong enough to smash robots with a flying ram. Why is Ian so adamant on ignoring that Cream and Cheese have superpowers? It's not like it isn't true to the games, and he still does it in IDW.
>>141694453 If any of you are wondering how Team Dark knew the Sol Emerald was here Ian explained it in his old blog on the Archie website he used to run concurrently with issues. Apparently Hope detected an energy signature similar to a Chaos emerald through one of her inventions.
Funny thing is that Rouge here doesn't even jive with how Ian wrote her earlier. In his very first story, Rouge holds back Scourge because she draws the line at killing.
>>141694809 Wow, I wonder why the sol emeralds, from the sol dimension seem to only work with the guardian that has been near them her whole life in her home of the sol dimension, golly gee willickers
>>141694934 Ian’s die-hard fans really love asking him pointless questions. Trying to listen to his podcast is a pain in the ass because of the legion of retards asking him pointless shit like “what flavor of popsicle is Sonic’s favorite flavor”.
>>141694939 >with how it does Rouge being so close to the good guys. The fuck are you talking about? The only time Rouge is actually there in the show, it's because she is actually investigating the Paradox Prism, which you know, is actually part of her job.
If you are going to get upset about inane stuffs, at least try to be correct about it.
If Classic Sonic: >thirteen Zones, each based around the Egg Boss >two Acts and a Boss Act >boss rush with all twelve throughout the final Zone, similar to how the first Mega Man X was set up
If Modern Sonic: >Sonic Unleashed-style game with thirteen locations around the world >pinball around the locations completing Acts and missions to break the Egg Bosses' control over each area culminating with a boss fight against them
>>141695119 I feel like this cover inspired a lot of Uncle Shadow and Cream art. Have these two interacted in other stuff? >>141695107 I wouldn't worry too much.
>>141694846 Because Cream and Cheese are broken in the game and doing that in the comic would be retarded as fuck. Why bother with Sonic and anyone else when Cheese can fly into the Death Egg and destroy it itself?
>>141695143 I dont think Shadow even talks to Cream much in this arc at all. >Have these two interacted in other stuff? Theres the Cryptic Castle where he helps find her and chao but in that game, shadow doesnt actually talk to her or the other companions alot either
>>141693953 This is again, Ian planting seeds hoping he could use Eggman Nega in the future because he was still bared from Sega at the time. It's been over 10 years and it looks like his restrictions are even worse than anticipated.
>>141695186 At least they're not physically fighting. >>141695188 Imagine not being able to use a character because Sega might want to use them but it turns out that they likely never will.
>>141695043 IIRC, there was a blog post about how Zonic actually caught Blaze breaking the zone lockdown, but covered it up because he knew it was important to save her world. He then had to explain himself to Zally.
>>141694040 Amy said she would get Nicole to build a new house for her in Mobotropolis and they could stay at her house in the meantime. She's is just touring Freedom HQ for them at the moment.
>>141695107 >Shadammy fan wishing for more interactions of those character must have got their hand on some monkey paw, there. Are ya kidding? I enjoyed it.
>>141695188 Sega has so much to explain with that character but don't want to explain anything and just want to introduce more and more new stuff instead.
>>141694992 Finally someone who doesn't cower in fear and job to Amy. Instead Shadow decides to actually "fight back" instead of staying still with wide eyes and letting the comically oversized hammer hit him.
>>141695266 >Didn't the driving physics in Shadow's game suck? When you drive a buggy and you go reverse, Sahdow look behind him and put his arm behind the passenger seat.
>>141695215 He only started hating him when it was confirmed he wasn't from Blaze's dimension anymore, and rightfully so That's dumb as fuck, and taking away her main antagonist and making her second fiddle to Silver again
>>141695266 >there are "people" who hate this for being "out of character" Speaking of fun-hating dullards.
Remember, Izuka wants to take this away from you. Shadow being a motorcycle goon is seen as an affront. Because according to corpos, the purpose of media isn't entertainment, it's branding for the sake of branding.
>>141695315 >Imagine IDW Shadow in this situation. He’d show up because we wants to fight strong people or something. He’d be an asshole to Rouge and Omega. He then brags about how he’s the ultimate lifeform before jobbing to Fang while taking his ring limiters off.
>>141695420 >>141695376 Just enjoy him while you can. Gets even worse when he gets written out of stories that should've had him because Sega had been getting more restrictive.
>>141695403 It's curious how we got flashbacks of the Rouges and Predator in the armada, but not Bean. We have no idea what he did there, or what his history with the deserters is.
>>141695383 >Bean used to be a massive sperg with the Battlekukus. >All night he'd keep them up with his sock puppet shows and his demands that he be read a bedtime story >He used to steal anything shiny and make a nest out of it in his bunk. Utensils, aluminum foil, screws, the Battle Lord's glasses. >Everyone was sick of his shit and a meeting was held to get rid of him. >The Battle Lord gave Bean the "super-special job" of flying a prototype jet cruiser as a test dummy -- with the hope that the cruiser would crash and kill him. >There was even a note inside the cruiser that instructed anyone who found it to kill Bean if he was still alive >Bean not only managed to fly the cruiser and crash-land it, but walk away totally unscathed. >The only one who missed Bean was Dr. Fukurokov because Bean, despite his raging special needs, was the only one in the entire armada to say his name perfectly every time
I think it's pretty shitty that at the moment, Bean, Bark and Fang are stuck in classic hell. Archie not having that dumbass spilt for the longest time was cool.
>>141694431 Angeli Island doesn't sink, it floats. That and basically nothing that can actually risk dying if it falls lives on the island in the games. Flickies hail from another dimension and Chao are immortal.
I also shouldn't have to point out that there is an order of magnitude difference between removing a gem powering an island with minimal life on it and removing one of the sole things keeping an entire planet alive.
>>141695771 The games are under SEGA's branding mandates and if you haven't noticed, Modern Sonic has serious PR problems thanks to the 4kids era of games. Archie Sonic never had these issues since SEGA never cared about it that much since it meant nothing to the Sonic brand.
>>141695771 The split is possibly one of the stupidest things Sega has ever done. Literally what is the point?
Again, it's like Sega's executives are so out of touch with reality that they don't know that media IPs exist for entertainment purposes, and that brands exist for the sake of branding.
>>141695338 Eggman having a descendant that looks exactly like him but with different mustache color and different colored clothes that are still designed the same way and even having the same name was beyond retarded. They couldn't just create a more unique character for the role?
>>141695867 Interesting how despite not being in Archie's version of SA2, this story seems to almost treat it like her speech to Shadow still happened. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying it certainly feels that way.
>>141695902 >I answer Autistically. She has fire powers, so she can walk on lava. It's not that complicated. Try applying real world logic to everything and you would be bitching about every part of it.
>>141695928 >Eggman having a descendant that looks exactly like him but with different mustache color and different colored clothes that are still designed the same way and even having the same name was beyond retarde Please, it's classic manga design rule when it comes to character who are related.
>>141695848 >Literally what is the point? I think Sega just doesn't want some comic to redesign game characters, since they'd have to at least tweak the designs to fit the modern cast. But then Sega can't be assed to make modern redesigns themselves after the Chaotix, so now Fang and the others are in classic limbo.
>>141695022 >Ian’s die-hard fans really love asking him pointless questions. Trying to listen to his podcast is a pain in the ass because of the legion of retards asking him pointless shit like “what flavor of popsicle is Sonic’s favorite flavor”. Actually the blog I was talking about was not the bumbleforum one. It was the blog on the official website. It was not made to answer questions but give in universe background information about events before and during a story. They take the form of character dialogue with some minor illustrations added to them. One of the blog entire for this story even showed Nack showing up at a shady place and recruiting Bark and Bean. They were actually quite fun. Sadly they were all deleted by Archie.
>>141696049 >Maybe... just maybe Rouge will eventually become a good friend. After this story she will. This bullshit never happens again with her, so I ain't even mad.
>141696045 On the contrary, nobody cares that you're a fun-hating twat.
>>141696085 That's because most of these characters were dropped because fans hated them. It took Frontiers to finally revive Tails, Knuckles and Amy and Dream Team added Rouge and Cream.
>>141696115 >Cream and Bean Wholesome. And as you pointed out, Sega hates fun, so these two will never be in a game together.
>Still funny that Nack has a good record against Sonic and yet he's traumatized by Sally and Amy. He stealth'd Sonic both times, to be fair. He had to actually fight Sally and Amy.
>>141695714 What were those two songs that played in SMBZ where there was that (iconic) threeway fight on Yoshi's Island? Because I imagine one of those playing here.
>>141696208 All this arguing about the ethics and now i remember the commander did say he called them team dark for a reason. Because of stuff like this
>>141696137 Hated by fuckin' WHO exactly? Morons who hate this franchise out of a desperate need to fit in? Why the hell should Sega pander to them? I certainly never asked any of these characters to go away.
>>141696208 Maybe just inform him that taking a sol emerald from an other dimension put a whole world to peril and will make diplomatic relationship difficult? Just saying...
>>141696239 Hating Sonic's friends was just the general mood of both the Sonic fandom and Sonic haters. That's how we ended up with Sonic 4 and the cast being reduced for several years.
>>141696256 >When she’s just a generic Sonic friend like in IDW and Prime We already went over this. She was just there because of of her investigation of the Paradox Prisme.
Also, Game Rouge has friendly interactions with Sonic in many of the party/racing games.
>>141696347 Mediocre gameplay? Half of Sonic's friends are just reskins with an extra power. You "Sonic's shitty friends" fags act like everyone was Big the cat fishing.
>>141696118 I didn't just remember them I have been a fan of Archie Sonic and Ian for years even after the Archie Book's cancellation. A lot of them simply remain fresh in my mind although I would never be able to give you the dialogue word for word if my life depended on it. The reason I am mentioning them now is because this arc was the first time they were relevant to the story where I was able to participate in the Storytime. There was an entry in the ninja arch where Liza the Chameleon wrote a journal entry thanking Espio for getting her accepted to the Shinobi clan after she was rejected by the Rainbow Valley Chameleons for being a former Robian.
>>141696364 >>141696381 We have STC and IDW to get through! Then we can go back to redoing the entirety of Heart of a Monster, Blue Prisoner and whoops-it's-a-Boom-fetish-comic-how'd-that-happen-haha
>>141696457 >ELISE DID NOTHING WRONG, DAMMIT! Woah I don't hate elise, I'm just saying the game did in fact influence sega/sonic team after it 'bombed' and as a result fucked up the timeline. Personally I wish there was a hidden sex scene between elise and sonic that could only be unlocked with 100% completed achievements.
>>141696381 Not the conductor, but someone in charge went mad and decided that there could only be ONE Sonic storytime thread at a time, deleting Sonic Fancomic story time after the archie one were done, just because the Archie one was still up, and then decided to delete the Archie storytime of the next day if the Archie Storytime thread of the previous day was still up.
No other Story time thread of any other franchise goes through such strict rule, but apparently, someone here hate Sonic enough to be an ass about it. And the other mods don't give a fuck.
>>141696446 >We have STC and IDW to get through! Anon, I'll only do the IDW storytime once it's completed or cancelled, I'm not going to storytime 68 issues and then wait for another one to come, it's better to just wait for the whole comic to be finish and then storytime it.
>>141696543 if 06 got 10/10 and sold billions we would have gotten >silver solo game >blaze solo game >sonelise canon (lol) but it didn't and we got reboot (unleashed/colors after reboot(boom)
I'm almost surprised anons don't want to do an IDW storytime because of how... grumpy the threads were This Archie storytime is a whole 'nother world compared to that one with the constant complaints even from the anons READING that comic series
Anyone who liked the IDW characters didn't deserve it, except you Belle lovers, Belle is awful
>>141696477 >the main speed stages Bruh, you're describing like three Sonic games. Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Shadow and Blaze all play like Sonic in most games they're in.
>>141696673 If 06 did well, IIzuka said Blaze and Silver would have gotten Solo games. We would have gotten fully fleshed out Blaze and Silver worlds. and the Sonic shitty friends meme would not be a thing.
>>141696636 >yeah you know sonic's friends? fuck 'em, what you really want is this crap 2.5D platformer that ONLY has the blue blur and terrible physics >classic sonic sequel btw :)
>>141696630 That thread had a lot of back and forth complaining about the Sega mandates that kind of took over discussion abou the actual issue being posted. I'd wish we did that a little less.
Just one thread without complaining about Sega mandates? Is it too much to ask? yes, it is.
>>141696454 >Oh cool, you should write them down sometime then. I'd like to know more about them >>141696231 >All this arguing about the ethics and now i remember the commander did say he called them team dark for a reason. Because of stuff like this >>141696208 >Alright, Rouge! Just get the commander another chaos emerald. Oh wait. Ironically enough the month this issue came out their was a blog entry by Ian on Archie's official website that showed the official mission report that Rouge gave Commander Tower. She basically lies her ass off and tells him it was a trap and ambush by the Eggman Empire. She spins a story about them beating the Eggman forces up and escaping. Another fun thing I remember was the first blog entry about this arc where Rough is talking to the Commander before the group goes on their mission. She refers to Hope as little miss "Sate Secret" and complains about not being able to say Hope's name of the comm links even thought the line is secure. Instead Commander Tower refers to Hope by her official code name as Team Dark Number 4.
>>141696659 I remember when there were endless posts hating on everything and shitposting. But the last couple issues have been a ghost town in comparison.
>>141696630 The reasons anons here don't want a storytime because of it's not Archie, not for the actually problems. It's shallow. Don't think too much of it.
>>141696744 >not the timeline. Im not talking about in game timeline im talking about our timeline, you know the fucking meme? like how people meme this is worst timeline because we killed harambe? fucking hell anon.
>>141696531 Sonic 4 came out during peak "Sonic's shitty friends" and Sega actually advertised the fact that only Sonic was playable as a selling point. And journos ate it up. Because who better to be the authority on what Sonic fans like than people who hate Sonic.
>>141696702 >Blaze Lol, nah, it would just be Silver. The game was supposed to usher the way for a Silver game, that's why he was made a hedgehog and his name having an S; to correlate with Sonic and Shadow.
>>141696666 I liked the Shinobi ones, and the Golden Axe one wasn't too bad form what I recall and gave me this reaction image. Admittedly I started to skim a lot of the rest.
>>141696719 >Little Miss State Secret The Robotnik name will always haunt that poor kid. Either that, or G.U.N doesn't want people knowing that they employ children. Human society isn't as chill about that as mobians are.
>>141696694 I can't say anything nice about them so I'll say nothing at all I think they had good video game powers that are fun, *when* they use them in the comics, whoops I said a not-nice thing
>>141693945 >Question: Why is Blaze considered an alternate universe version of Sonic? Is it the speed thing? She seems to have more in common with Knuckles what with being a guardian that can tap into the powers of the emeralds.
>>141696694 >>141696883 Tangle was the only good character. Whisper had every element of a one-off character that overstays her welcome and soon dragged down Tangle so both can be the token lesbians.
>>141696843 Shinobi was close to source material, Golden Axe was cool yet Ax was a dope and Gillus wanted grub. Streets of Rage 2 made Axel into kind of a pussy, Max, who's a wrestler, a cop and Blaze pissed off. And IIRC, there was a Wonder Boy adaptation of all things.
>>141696796 >Cool! >>141696844 >The Robotnik name will always haunt that poor kid. Either that, or G.U.N doesn't want people knowing that they employ children. Human society isn't as chill about that as mobians are. A little of both probably. G.U.N. would not want it getting out where all their major advances in technology are coming from. I can't help but imagine a story where child services finds out about Hope and walks in on her playing cards with the rest of Team Dark. Thanks for correcting my spelling error by the way.
>>141696903 You mean Sonaze, right? I don't have anything particularly relevant to Tangle/Whisper on my HDD except maybe this And I don't like politicised comics This isn't an era where lesbians exist in comics for heartfelt or baser reasons
>>141697005 >This isn't an era where lesbians exist in comics for heartfelt or baser reasons This 100%, it's why I dropped that shitty Sonic Pandora AU comic.
>>141694933 I fucking love this page, it's like when the Pilaf Gang from Dragon Ball come back have to react to all the new crazy dangerous shit in the series now
>>141696830 >They were desperate to get back the audience they lost. No, they were trying to win over journos thinking it would bring over a new audience, and they were actively shitting on their old audience in the process. I mean, we're not just talking about minor characters like Big, we couldn't even get Tails and Knuckles playable in mainline games until recently. Fucking Tails and Knuckles were shitty friends apparently.
>>141697040 Do you enjoy the equal angry partners interpretation of their relationship or the mommywife that watches over dumb babyman interpretation of their relationship?
>>141697070 No, I am so bitter about this. We could have had some Paulie or Jules representation but no gotta get those brownie points first. Fucking cancer. It doesn't even make sense for either of those characters to be gay in the first fucking place.
>>141697088 Tails and Knuckles actually did become shitty friends in Lost World and Forces. Amy was the nicest character to Sonic out of all them back then.
>>141697164 umm but wasnt he a he in pages i saw? what? WHAT? Now I know this is for maximum brownie points, glad I dropped this garbage. Also im 100% sure 'those' people could go for a less invasive surgery that leaves minimum scars but I guess they can't help themselves and need to scream that they are troons.
>>141697219 OK but I'm sure those people have alternative surgeries that dont leave huge fucking scars like that. It's almost like they are all attention seekers.
>>141697256 Why would you want to read OOC garbage that makes sonic cry like a little beta bitch? It's called Sonic Pandora AU anon but there are much better comics out there.
>>141695760 So outside of Nicole who barely appeared in part one and some Zone cop ship, this arc is almost nothing but the Sega only characters, right?
>>141697320 Reminds of that God awful fanart of Silver asking Sonic why he has scars on his chest. God why does Sonic attract both trannies, racist, autistist and just people in the spectrum in general
>still no Hanging out update >still no meanbean update >still no team dark supanova update >still no sonic frenzy update >still no out of the blue update >still not GOTF update (lol) >still no TMOM update (lolx2) >still no stressed out update
>>141697569 Because there is unironically a huge correlation between autism and transgenderism, seriously google it. There's a reason Games Done Quick is infested with them. kek
>>141697579 >still no sonic frenzy update I want more porn of sonic and the oc instead to be honest. That werehog coom had no business being so damn good.
