>>140782579
Now who could that be?

>>140782579
>Question
Butler, no doubt about it.

>>140782579
>Question: Out of all the artists that have shown up so far, who is your favorite?
The guy with the sexo anime style.

>>140782589
Well, this art is something.

>>140782612
>that tracing
What the fuck happened to the art quality

>>140782612
This is the artist who just traces isn't it?

>>140782579
Snoooooowstooooooorm... snoooooowstooooorrrrm...

>>140782612
You should already recognize that orange headpiece but who's the screaming girl?
>>140782595
Nice choice.
>>140782597
Fry?

>>140782634
You'll be seeing plenty of her... unfortunately,

>>140782634
Young, old, it doesn't matter to Sonic when it comes to human women.
>>140782628
>>140782630
Looks like it!

>>140782662
>mina: awww, that usually works in cartoons!
>>140782631
Is that a remix for that Darude song?
>>140782658
Hey now, she's a good replacement Maria before Maria existed.

>>140782690
Eggman's really showing off his pearly white teeth.

>>140782634
Hope!

>>140782658
You shut your whore mouth.

>>140782690
jesus the pieces this guy is aping off of are clearly all from different artist too what a hack

>>140782690
Rotor, next time shut your fat fucking mouth

>>140782612
The art...

>>140782634
>Fry
Either him or someone else, yeah.

>>140782634
Enter another member of the Robotnik family!

>>140782711
Shortfuse tier backstory

>>140782711
Come to think of it, that Sonic in the last panel looks familiar...

>>140782662
Jesus christ those faces.

>>140782579
The issue where Khan unwittingly sent people to their deaths, left one girl an orphan, fucks off until 201, and didn't even apologize for his actions. He in turn gets fucked over by the Wave.

>>140782711
Eggman, the paragraph about how your an alt version wasn’t needed, you are essentially indistinguishable

>>140782634
ENTER HOPE

>>140782662
Another Hasta La Vista for the count!

>>140782741
It's Monkey Khan! And he's pissed!

>>140782721
Can someone point out all the trace references ? I know that eggman is one.
>>140782612

>>140782690
Rotor, the game is to be sold, never told!!

>>140782767
If that disembodied head was the real Eggman, you'd think that attack wouldn't be necessary.

>>140782767
and ready to fling shit on the bed. as I said before, this'll have tragic consequences

>>140782794
Sorry Hershey, Geoffrey just got done with his workplace sexual harassment training after the whole thing with the princess. Max was none to pleased when he found out what was going on.

>>140782741
You know, if I remember correctly, you'd think Colin would be a little less willing to listen to his brother considering he was the one to have him sentenced to death for crimes against humanity way back when

>>140782690
Rotor you fuck

>>140782768
I don't know the issues but Mina and Elias are most likely Fry's and Geoffry looks like Penders and Rotor looks like and old one from Rich Koslowski

>>140782814
>khan: the script called for me to be angry and combative so you'll have to deal with it, sonic!

Where are Eggman's goggles?

>>140782711
Eggman channeling Shrotfuse there. Though it's interesting to note he almost sounded like he cared sbout his own kind before he noticed Colin.

>>140782634
ENTER BEST GIRL

>>140782579
>Question
Probably Spaz, but I will say that Stephen Fry's blocky, animeish style is appealing to me in a way.

>>140782741
>I gotta do a quick Sonic Adventure pose!

>>140782835
>robotnik fucks over your village
>turns you into a cyborg
>you escape
>find a new village
>another comes along and does the same thing
I can understand the anger.

>>140782767
And here comes the retardation from Khan.

>>140782814
Hershey, your taste in men SUCKS.

>>140782853
Being around talking animals every day makes you want to be around your own people. You might want to make them your slaves, sure, but you're glad to be talking to a fellow human then the talking squirrel

>>140782874
And the award for most awkward panels on one page goes to...

>>140782823
Well, he is a Robotnik. They're all crazy in some capacity. Even Hope and Maria are kinda nuts, and they're the good ones.

>>140782814
Hershey for the love of God, PLEASE get better taste.

>>140782835
Knuckles is no longer the designated 'tard, so now it's Khan.

>>140782898
And now for some Sally talking to older Sally.
>>140782881
Gotta make Eggman look good in comparison!

>>140782874
I get it - I really fucking do. But holy shit, stop playing into his fucking hands.

>>140782915
>monkey khan loses again
>sonic loses again
>eggman wins again
>>140782885
>>140782905
At least its Bollers-written Geoffrey.

>>140782885
There's a lot of characters in this book who have that problem.

>>140782874
>Monkey "Race War NOW" Khan

>>140782767
Who gives a fuck about monkey khan?

>>140782935
https://youtu.be/wRnSnfiUI54?si=GKd-frKDbQSf-x0G&t=18

>>140782923
Yeah, I get that he's angry but you would think Kahn would at least try to warn or stop the Overlanders from listening to Eggman instead of spazzing out

>>140782915
>artist just traced the elias and sally convo from a couple of issues ago, just replaced elias with his mom

>>140782954
>all this for a lame reference

>>140782935
Wait…so if Pokemon exists on Mobius, is all the cast mobian but the pokemon are the same?

>>140782935
Khan, you stupid bastard! You make the Brotherhood look brilliant!!

>>140782954
I clapped

>>140782954
https://youtu.be/ZlbmPM2FzHs?si=DC59SK8zSZiMGgek

>>140782935
Somebody please kick Khan in the dick.

>Pokémon exists on Mobius
Okay but how

>>140782935
Sonic knows what Pokemon is because he got hit by a Pikachu while fighting Perfect Chaos.

>>140782915
>So dear, how was your childhood?
>*war flashbacks intensify*

>>140782711
I think this is the first time Eggman had referred to himself as Eggman.

>>140782579
>Question
Spaz for cool, butler for sexo
>>140782954
I love star trek as much as the next guy, but come on now...

>>140782979
Thankfully this is just a backup story that doesn't matter. Imagine if this was also mandated to fit into the narrative.

>>140782986
>Somebody please kick Khan in the dick.

It wouldn't stop Sally from getting wet for him.

>>140783004
wait, so is this technically the start of the "Another Time Another Place" game adaptation stories?

>>140783004
>sonic: where's sally and the rest of the gang?
>amy: sorry, game characters only

>>140782823
>tfw Colin is so racist against furries he'd rather trust his treasonous war criminal brother whom he tried to have killed several times.

>>140783024
I know this game exists. I think I even played it. But all I remember is that it's a boring Mario Party knock off.

>>140782999
Nice Trips. Speaking of ST, who's personality would fit Max better, Picard or Sisko?

>>140783051
Pink Cosmo!

>>140783051
Sonic understands all of this as well as I do.
>>140783023
Pretty much. After Sonic Adventure, I'm not surprised they went with this.

>>140783055
Janeway

>>140783064
Presmo

>>140782987
>Sonichu exists in another zone in this world
>Zonic knows what it is, but absolutely refuses to talk about it and gets all jittery whenever he's asked

>>140783082
>sega: take this
>archie: like i have a choice

>>140783051
ENTER (ONE HALF OF) DREAM GOD

>>140783104
>sonic: i have no idea what's happening
>penders: same

>>140783023
Another Time, Another Place stories are more like a pseudo game universe promotion and not something that kinda takes place in the main universe and happened offscreen.

>>140783034
>TFW we never got a heated debate between Colin & The Brotherhood that breaks down into Locke & Colin calling each other every slur in the book.

>>140783130
Now go buy Sonic Shuffle for the Sega Dreamcast!

>>140783130
>go ahead and touch it
Just like what my uncle told me

>>140783023
Not quite. This one is still canon (somehow). Those don't start until later on in Ian's run.

>>140783051
Lumina kinda bad tho.

>>140783082
Sega keeps trying to do NiGHTS via Sonic, and it's getting really damn annoying. Just make a new NiGHTS game if you want dream-based adventures. Fucks sake.

>>140783051
>it's a boring Mario Party knock off.

Aside from the fact it was literally made by the same people who made Mario Party, I wouldn't call it boring. It's unfair as fuck because the AI literally cheats, but I still had a lot of fun playing it, especially with three other human players. The game really needs an online-capable re-release.

>>140783148
In which Sonic makes things worse for himself.

>>140783134
but the one's for Sonic Rush & Rush Adventure have to be cannon because Blaze and Marine will callback to those events even though they happened offscreen. Also the one one for Chronicles was GOING to be cannon but...well you know

>>140783170
Hmm Spaz hands.

>>140783167
Yeah, it's fun. But the AI is the cheatiest cheater to have ever cheated.

>>140783170
Sonic with the understatement of the century.

>>140783170
Astal to the left

>>140783170
I see astal

>>140783034
Not so surprisingly, bigots are stupid. Turns out folks who shape their entire lives around being massively butthurt mad that other people exist don't have a ton of capacity for critical thought.

>>140782768
>Can someone point out all the trace references ? I know that eggman is one.
Pretty much the entire story, if not at least 95% of it is traced. There are a whole bunch "references" from different artists from different time periods of the comic. Rotor's are from Mawhinney, Sonic, Robotnik and Mina are from recent Fry/Lim issues, at least one of Geoffrey's are from Galan, Kahn is from Strom, Tails, Elias and Nate are from Butler's stories and the list goes on.

>>140783173
Yeah, the Rush ones happened offscreen. Chronicles was indeed supposed to be another offscreen adventure as well, but they changed their minds, it didn't have anything to do with Penders at the time.

>>140783202
https://youtu.be/FCI9Y4VGCVw?si=DJzedI9pQw_nXo0r
>>140783167
Well I did play by myself. I think. At least nobody burned their palms like with Mario Party on the N64.

>>140782960
The monkey's nature is, irrepressible!

>>140783082
Ummm, Zone Cops?

>>140783235
Just admit you fucked up, Sonic.

>>140783202
Being Sonic is suffering.

>>140783235
Is the monarchy going to try to arrested him again.

>>140783170
Gross looking cover. Sonic looks like he’s wearing lipstick.

>>140783253
BORN FROM AN EGG ON A MOUNTAIN TOP

>>140783202
The thing with Max was an honest mistake. Nobody's perfect. Stealing the sword was such an obviously stupid idea that even Sonic should've known better.

>>140783265
You'd think Colin of all people would be wary of all of this. He did banish Robotnik.
>>140783261
Busy playing Mario Party.

>>140783202
>>140783268
But hey, JJJ is probably celebrating as we speak!

>>140783233
Knowing that Shade could have been a part of this book pisses me off. I know people would write her off as a Julie Su clone but I imagine Ian would try show her as sort of foil to Julie. Maybe have it so she can't let her guard down unlike Julie who got somewhat accustomed to a normal life after being a solider

>>140783265
Does Sonic have to answer to anyone thought?

>>140783261
It's ok, they got him.

>>140783104
I like the star eyes the green lady has

>>140783261
>Zonic: He needs to do this or we will all fucking die. That, and I'm hungry again - I'm thinking shrimp

>>140783265
Poor Sonic.

>>140783293
>uma: dammit...
>>140783271
They just want to have a chat with him. That's all.
>>140783283
Pucker up!

>>140783293
>Julian, your head’s looking a lot less phallic these days

>>140783322
>suffering from sally withdrawal
>not settling for elias
Sorry, Soneliasbros.

>>140783293
Claiming those male overlanders before Robotnik enslaves them forever.

>my "peeps"
This should have raised immediate redflags in Colin. Since when has Robotnik spoken like that?

>>140783167
>>140783200
What does the ai do?

>>140782935
>>140782954
see you again in 109 issues.

>>140783322
Fuck you Kodos!

>>140783346
It's Mina and her currently unexplained super speed!
>>140783291
The former is forgivable but the latter...

>>140783349
A human player can select a card from their opponents hand to use during the board segments, but they can't actually see what their opponent's cards are. The AI can however, and always picks the best possible card.

>>140783370
>bollers: make way for a much better ship!
>>140783309
Maybe just this once.

>>140783293
Hope and Agnes immediately demonstrate that they aren't stupid assholes.

>You'd think Colin of all people would be wary of all of this. He did banish Robotnik.
Again, bigots are inherently drooling morons.

>>140783315
>Void
>lady
Heh.

>>140783370
Goddammit Mina.

>>140783348
That's just Robotnik trying to sound non-threatening and friendly to his fellow Overlanders.

The problem is years of social isolation and being a mechanical cyborg hybrid has increased his autism threefold, so it comes off as outdated and cringy

>>140783397
Im getting bad feelings from this...

>>140783322
What was Kodos doing in Robotropolis's sewers, anyway? I completely forgot what happened to him after Snively's prison breakout story.

>>140783304
Chronicles probably wasn't integrated in the main comic in the promotion because it was probably better to have it be an actual storyline later in the comic since it's more Echidna stuff to could be saved for a full fledged Knuckles story.

>>140783397
Antoine and Bunnie are back and look who they brought? Tails, hide!

>>140783411
You should. It gets worse.

>>140783346
Sonic doesn’t bat for that crowd

>>140783431
See? All's good! Kind of. Not really.

>>140783431
Don't let him get your grippers!

Apparently Bollers hated Nate Morgan.

>>140783459
It's hers again.
>>140783421
He's been lying low for a while.

>>140782634
>>140782662
Claiming all of the Overlanders except Hope.

>>140783459
Sonic definitely fucked up here, but Nate is right that Max's charge was poorly planned.

>>140783477
Sally's just... hanging around... reacting to stuff... and not doing anything...

>>140783145
>Locke has a whole encyclopedia for human slurs
>The problem is that he doesn't know that many slurs refer to a type of person, so he thinks that you could use any type of slur against a person and it would be effective.
>Colin has to admit he's surprised when Locke calls him a cottonpicker

>>140782898
Ghost high five (four for Rotor.)

>>140783509
Geoffrey spittin' facts. I wonder how this little partnership will go.

>>140783425
It seemed like Ian was building up to some kind of Twilight Cage saga where the heroes, mainly Knuckles, venture in like in Chronicles' final act.

>>140783459
Sonic, don't you run away from Nate while he's bringing up a perfectly good point.

Dude should've at least worn a helmet.

>>140783411
I hope you like love triangles!

>>140783509
wtf happened to the sally who was more active in the adventures not too long ago?

>>140783477
>Twip
>Peter Parker: I wonder if I hire that McAcorn for copyright infringement!! Nah, the Zone Cops would probably arrest for MvC3 knowing my luck.

>>140783533
I feel like this family situation could've been a little less complicated but it is what it is.

>>140782711
>oh my god, my own people have returned at last! I'm so happy to see-
>is that Colin?
>ROBOTICIZE THEM MECHANIZE THEM MAKE THEM SHINY AND CHROME FUCK OVERLANDERS FUCK COLIN AUGH!!!

>>140783477
God, just look at how buff Kodos is.

>>140783559
So what will Sonic's punishment be?

>>140783582
Interesting background mobian with pigtails.

>>140783509
>Sally's just... hanging around... reacting to stuff... and not doing anything...
I feel like most of the major writers inexplicably hated Sally.

And that reminds me. I have never understood the concept of writers shitting on characters they don't like. You're the writer. Just write them better. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

>>140783477
Man, Spider babes really got underused in Archie despite the potential

>>140783559
You think Snively’s mother was some goblina looking Overlander or was Colin just lucky that all the uggo genes skipped him?

>>140783559
Isn't hope just his bio daughter? Why is he saying step.

>>140783559
Colin's really overjoyed to see his war criminal brother he tried to have imprisoned for life

>>140783582
Look at Geoffrey happy to see Sonic getting punished! And it gets better because next issue Sonic's real punishment will begin when he has to go to school. But we got a Knuckles backup to do!

>>140783533
Elias may as well be shaking the hand of the devil.

>>140782634
Hope, the original Maria.

>>140783582
Chilidog ban

>>140783397
To be fair it's not boller's fault that editorial mandated Mina get into an incredibly forced love triangle with sonic

>>140783597
Sally and even Amy need to be downplayed for Mina supremacy.

>>140783617
Penders on art is half right if you look at the backgrounds for these pages.

>>140782979
There's uni eye sonic rearing his ugly eye again.

>>140783533
>St. John: I mean you was basically raised by old Echindas! If they're like anything Stu & Sally told me, they're a bunch of cryptic lying fucks.

>>140782690
>Maria and Hope
What kind of relationship are they supposed to have with Shadow anyway? Caretakers or lovers?

>>140783602
funny, an official Sonic artist showed off his art for a spider girl today

https://twitter.com/okanotion/status/1727610208363667752

>>140783559
>please, no touching
Foreshadowing

>>140783652
Holy fuck. What happened to penders art skill

>>140783533
Geoffrey's being pretty harsh. It's not like Elias has even had a chance to actually do anything.
Ian's retcon makes a lot of sense, Geoffrey really comes off a schemer here.

>>140783652
Here's Chaos Knuckles!
>>140783630
>gabrie cackles menacingly

>>140783533
Elias should have immediately thrown his ass in prison for insubordination

If that were Max, St. John's pelt would be a wall decoration in the Source of All chamber

>>140783346
There's likely fanart of this that plays out entirely differently.

>>140783582
Claiming those background twinks!

>>140783597
Writers on comics tend to despise characters who aren't their own and just want to erase them but can't, so they shit on them instead. It's a capeshit thing that spread far and wide across the industry.

>>140783683
On the flipside, Nack's got quite the body in this.
>>140783666
>those trips

>>140783617
>spoiler
At last! The Dark Ages have truly begun.

>>140783661
The spider girl is from an image from Sonic Adventure.

>>140782935
nice Star Trek III reference

>>140783617
I hope Robotnik burns your village to the ground for this stupidity Elias.

>>140783710
Seriously, look at Nack's back.
>>140783691
Geoffrey's not wrong. Even Sally said Elias isn't cut out for being a king. Even Elias said that.

>>140783683
>Comic "art" is just real life stock images as the background.
Lazy as fuck,

>>140783652
>Saffron wanting six kids
Damn girl

>>140783098
>sometimes he mutters to himself "But back in the Stone Age..."

>>140783747
I know it was brief but Knuckles should remember clobbering Nack during Triple Trouble.

>>140783775
This is actually embarrasing. Penders used to draw somewhat decently.

>>140783784
according to him it's a deadlines issue

>>140783775
Nack looks like he could stab someone with his tooth.
>>140783754
Hehehehehe... she'll end up with one... hahahahahaha... briefly...

>>140783617
This is so fucking lame, he's Sonic. He should just run away for a month until they beg for his help on their hands and knees.

>>140783754
Insects fuck

>>140783800
>>140783784
>>140783798
Personally I'd go with mostly blank backgrounds than this.

>>140783710
That's a thick Nack in that second panel.

Bro think he's Tamers12345

>>140783775
Charmy being the smart one is weird. But nice.

>>140783827
And that's it for this! Now we do the dreaded Naugus Games special? How bad can it really be?

>>140783798
Is it really when his art is still as degraded now?

>>140783691
>Elias should have immediately thrown his ass in prison for insubordination
Not realizing things like that is why he needs Geoffrey's help in the first place

>>140783661
Huh that’s pretty nice

>>140783514
>"Some of these just sound..made up. Nate what in the world is a "Bug Eyed Jiggaboo?"
>"Technically Me."
>"Fuck. Which ones are for ones with this guy's hair."
>"Try the Irish."
>"...Mickey? Is this like that Karen thing a few pages ago?"

>>140783800
>spoilers
;_;

>>140783859
Snooooooowstoooooooorm...

>>140783859
At least the cover's nice and suggestive.
>>140783816
Then he'll be grounded by his parents when he comes back.

>>140783880
It's time for DEEP HURTING!

>>140783859
>you WILL be given the Chaos Succ, Knuckles

>>140783880
Oh no....

>>140783816
This.

>>140783880
ENTER MANY HANDS

>>140783880
Peak hackery incoming.

>>140783880
The special ao shit it cancelled them forever

>>140783880
OH NO

>>140783816
Sonic never owning up to his mistakes makes him just look bad

>>140783880
Mercy please

>>140783897
Stylish page with WORDS!

>>140783816
What Sonic would actually do that, though?

>>140783897
Many hands was definitely multiple people rushing a deadline I'm certain

>>140783859
>May Aurora have mercy on your soul!!
Bitch, it's not his fault!

>>140783880
Well now I'm curious. You lot keep talking this up as a particularly low point.

>>140783859
...Knuckles really should kill all the echidnas who aren't Julie-Su, his mom, Spectre, Sabre, that other ghost grandpa, Remington and Wynmacher.

>>140783918
The story starts off well enough. Decent art, Sonic doing a good thing. But that's how they get you.

>>140783753
Not that Penders isn't lazy, but he apparently shat this out right before the deadline, like, running to get this mailed before the post office closes deadline. He did all the art, lettering, inking and coloring himself.

>>140783477
That Kodos face looks kinda terrible...
>>140783570
...but Fry got his physique right.

>>140783880
I wouldn't pay 2.50 for this one even now.

>>140783945
A recap of what happened a while back.
>>140783928
It shouldn't have been sold for money.

>>140783958
He has a very soft babyface in Fry's style.

>>140783945
>I don't know why I'm back
>Actually, I do know why I'm back
Riveting writing.

You know, around 90 issues of an enjoyable comic before the real dark ages isnt too bad after finally reading for myself.

>>140783477
If you just stole it from Robotnik, why did you take it to Kodos just to steal it from him?

>>140783971
https://youtu.be/yivLt9cTaio?si=on7_lgG3WFfcai28

>>140783985
>he thinks these are the dark ages
Hehehehahahaha

>>140783999
Lights out! Art, too.
>>140783994
Because she feels like Kodos will use it on her.

>>140784004
Hey now, i was always told its usually up to 70 when it stops being enjoyable for a while but after reading it, it hasnt really. only now am I getting the feel of real bad things

>>140783994
Kodos blurted out he needed no allies>>140783322
which she clearly saw as a red flag.

>>140784022
Time for the sneak peek to the main event... or lack of peek, that is.

>>140783559
>KHAAAAN
>Star Trek

>>140784022
I know what you're thinking. This is fine, this makes sense. Sonic's in darkness. It's a style and narrative choice! LOL!

>>140784054
This is a lot of black ink though.

>>140784054
>this is the dark ages

Son of a bitch now I get it

>>140783985
I'm glad you think so. A lot of people seem to think it goes to shit right after 50, but I think there is some fun stories following it.

>>140783880
Please no!

>>140784071
Don't worry, we'll get out of the darkness. Eventually.

>>140783617
>spoiler
Now I wish they were forced to fit SA2 into the comic so they could change course.

So when exactly does story take place? I can't think of an issue after Eggman's return that Sonic would have the time to make a trek to the tundra. The story was pretty non-stop since.

>they charged extra for lack of effort
Bold

The truly amazing thing is that the story after this is even worse

Fuck this story. I'm not even opening up the thumbnails.

>>140784091
>goatse
SONIC, NO!
>>140784077
Only the literal Carlos interpretation.

>>140783747
He's just vibin'

>>140784122
We're out! And the art looks much worse than it was before.
>>140784110
Seems to be before Eggman comes in.

>>140784122
Anyone else weirdly reminded of Cerebus the Aardvark right now?

>>140784122
Four pages of darkness to cover up the artist's laziness? You ain't seen nothing yet!

So who is many hands?

>>140784054
What happened to the ART?!

>>140784155
What's that?
>>140784114
Maybe even illegal.

>>140784167
Me. Sorry about the comic.

>>140784155
>Seems to be before Eggman comes in.
No, Sonic says Robotnik is already back.
>>140783999

>>140784178
Can it be?
>>140784166
To think the darkness is the less egregious thing about this story.

>>140783880
How bad can it possibly be?!

>>140784178
>first panel
Oy vey

>>140784167
Penders outed him as Justin Gabrie on his forums back in the day.

>>140784202
He's back!
>>140784167
Apparently it was Gabrie but it's also said it was multiple people working at Archie that aren't actually artists.

>>140784207
Sonic is very greedy for those rings. Remember when he flipped out on Nate for not giving them to him?

>comic keeps calling the Zone of Silence the wrong name
Huh.
>rings grant wishes
HUH?

>>140784218
Lol for real? Any source or link to that

>>140784219
It’s really out of character for Sonic to be scared of Nagus.

>>140784219
That top panel is just Naugus from the Who is Nate Morgan?!?! cover.

Can I stop now?

I can't say I ever thought this comic was "good" but I think I'm just tired of waiting to see when it gets "good".

>>140784228
>>rings grant wishes
to be fair, that's a satam holdover.

>>140782794
>second panel
How come Nicole never pulled that one.

>>140784240
Fire hand!
>>140784190
Welp, there goes my theory.

>>140784219
ENTER IXIS DREW RAZIEL PICKLES

>>140784160
Yup! But Cerebus did it with style and class.

>>140784241
No one is forcing you to read. Just hop off anytime.

>>140784118
...How?

>>140784122
SONIC YES

>>140784266
I know what you're thinking. This art is bad but at least it's art. Surely this comic won't pull the same shit again!

this art is making me physically ill

>>140784293
But that's where you're wrong! Take it away, Naugus! And by "it" I mean the art!

You know what's sad? This is the first time Sonic and Naugus have a proper 1v1, no FFs or minions. They don't actually fight a whole lot in the comic's entire run.

>>140784204
>>140784178
>>140784202
>>140784219
Oh...

Sonic had some really bad artists on board.

>>140784219
RE-ENTER

>>140784311
>YIKES!!!
You said it, Sonic

>>140784311
>>140784294
Naugus has got you and these 6 pages covered... in snow print!

>>140784338
Oh my god, it's the SNOWSTORM!!!

>>140784236
Any source is long dead since his forums were purged a long time ago. This series is full of pseudonyms, including Benny Lee being Bollers, even Kent Taylor ended up being the previous editor Scott Fulop, so i'd say it's believable.

>>140784228
>rings grant wishes
That's been the case in this for a while.

>>140784338
>they don't even break up the print between panels
>they really slapped it on the entire page and put panel borders and dialogue in speech balloons over it

What in the actual fuck were they thinking with this? Unbelievable

>>140784375
Are you feeling it now, anon?

>>140784375
Gotta... stay... strong... gotta mock... Do you want to build a snowman? C'mon, keep it going!

>>140784311
>>140784338
AIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE

>>140784394
>>140784389
It's not even a case of a numbered issue being needed to make print in time. This is a special that I would assume could've been delayed unless there's a reason this had to come out in this state.

>>140784394
The only thing keeping my sanity is reading the lines in Michael Bell's Raziel voice and Ryan Drummond and hearing the two answer back to each other in my head.

Sonic as a franchise is peak laziness.

>>140783346
Are we all in agreement when I say Elias was the best Penders' characters?

>>140784394
DEEEEP... HURRRRRTING... No, keep it together...

>>140784424
I feel like several paragraphs each page detailing the fight like an excerpt from a book would've been better than this.

>>140784437
"Best" is more praise than deserved.

I guess "least offensive" qualifies.

>>140784338
>>140784375
>>140784394
>>140784424
BRAVO ARCHIE!

>>140783346
Damn I thought Sonic was embracing Elias in the 3rd panel

>>140784447
It's okay, everyone! We're just about out of this!

>>140784447
The only time Archie Sonic decided not to be verbose. Lol.

>>140784424
>>140784447
Walking in a Winter Wonderland... uhhh... Dandruff... is... embarrassing? Ergh...

>>140784477
Just have to endure this art for a few more pages.
>wrrrrrrrr
>NOOOOOOO

>>140784477
By the grace of double dubs! We're saved!

This is a real comic book that actually exists. So I take it this is why they stopped doing Super Specials.

>>140784505
Imagine being Naugus and this is the story you come back to and then get sent back at the end of.

>>140784054
>>140784071
>>140784091
>>140784122
>>140784338
>>140784375
>>140784394
>>140784424
>>140784447
>>140784477
ARCHIE PUBLISHED A FUCKING COMIC WITH NO ART THIS DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE A FAILING GRADE IT RECEIVES NO GRADE BECAUSE IT HAS FAILED THE ASSIGNMENT ON A FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL

>SIX fucking pages of snowstorm
WHY

>>140784528
Congratulations. You survived. Unlike Eddy. Okay, that joke was done in poor taste.

>>140783597
It makes all this stuff more interesting

>>140784534
That'll be 2.50, sport.

>>140784551
Gallagher writes and draws a Sin City parody. Here we go!

What is worse, image crossover or this

>>140784564
What kid actually bought this book?

>>140784526
For some reason, they just weren't equip to handle these.

>>140783597
>>140783651
I keep reading that Archie seriously didn't want to use Amy for anything, is that true?

>>140784580
image crossover had art.

>Don't draw anything.
>"Now gimme your money!"
Disgraceful.

>>140784580
This, by God, this. The Image crossover at least had art and was fun to joke about.

>>140784580
Image crossover at least functioned as an actual comic you could read.

>>140784577
Those poor swatbots were off the clock!

>>140784587
Bollers wanted to pair Amy with Sonic, but that never materialized anywhere in the comic.

>>140784580
This. At least the Image crossover had something resembling an attempt at art and plot.

>>140784577
I think this was put in the Archive that had the issue where they beat Nagus for the 1st time for some reason

>>140783683
Oh yeah, Knuckles wasn't there when Charmy left, was he.

>>140784587
Based if so lmao

>>140784611
What is it with Gallagher and the figure 8?

By the way, they stole this whole idea from Marvel's What If? issue 34.

>>140784611
Good ol' Gallagher! Giving these forgotten bots some love!

>>140784583
This was literally the last Archie comic I bought until the reboot happened.

>>140784611
Swatbots don't have rights.

>>140784580
Image atleast gave us that one hmoaf panel

Is this story really worse than naugus games? How

>>140784633
>that badnik ass
Woo.

>>140784633
Oh Hi Grounder

>>140784583
Hopefully not many, but I'm sure a lot of parents bought it for their kids not knowing what a ripoff it was.

>>140784633
>this is a no furry bar, bub
>>140784629
Some writers have their things they like to use all the time. Like Bollers and "hast la vista, meesta" and Penders with badly written fathers.

>>140783681
Did Penders have any reaction to Ian screwing up all of his OCs? Like making his pet character a bad guy?

>>140784577
Looks like some old story they had archived. Sonic is still very much his classic self.

>>140784676
Probably a salty temper tantrum online

Imagine if Archie got a tv show adaption and we had a Naugus Games episode. Would it just be a white, snowy screen with Sonic and Naugus talking?

>>140784676
Some people say the reason he even sued was because of what Ian did to Locke

>>140784675
*WHISTLES*
>>140784655
I wouldn't say it's bad or anything. Just whatever. Naugus Games is barely even a comic.

>>140784700
WEW

>>140784693
I’d figure it’d be something like a Samurai Jack episode

>>140784640
Are we talking about that one human kid getting a rapeface while looking at Sally or something else?

>>140784700
And that's when little Timmy became a robosexual. Along with all the other fetishes he picked up from this series.

>>140784676
Penders seethes about it to this day. He legit hates Flynn's guts for "ruining" his characters and being praised for it.

>>140784700
CLANG CLANG CLANG GET UPDATED

>>140784676
Penders literally admitted he intended to retcon everything Ian did with his characters and the setting and throw it all in the trash the second Archie came back to put him on the book again.

>>140784700
Ayoooooo

>>140784676
I'm gonna be fair here and say that Ian's run during the comic concerning other people's characters and hangning plots would be considered kinda disrespectful, which is ironic since supposedly on his podcast Ian expressed he wouldn't want the same to happen to his stuff.

>>140784727
>>140784735
Wtf is kens problem? Why is he so up in his own ass for when people suggest things to improve upon

>>140784726
>chris hansen appears and arrests everyone for lusting after an underage rabbit girl

>>140784700
W E W

>>140784735
I feel Penders must have some form of legit autism. There's no other explaination for it.

>>140784676
Ken made a parody comic of women in refrigerators against what Ian did to Hershey, but Ken filed a copywrite on Hershey the cat and literally couldn't use her so all his plans with her were thrown out and had to be cobbled up together to fix it at the last minute.

>>140784735
What a loser, Ian Flynn was a lot nicer in treating his characters then they deserved and he is still butthurt about it

>>140784700
>>140784753
GODDAMN BUNNIE

>>140784735
And he would also force everybody in Archie to adhere to HIS M25YL future and his alone.

>>140784752
This is the same man who didn't read other people's issues when he still worked on the comic.

>>140784753
And that's the end of this story.
>>140784750
He was told by editors to do a lot of stuff like killing off characters and finishing stories he didn't care for. I wouldn't entirely blame him for everything, especially Penders' stuff.

>>140784753
That makes Bunnie look WAY more violent than usual

>>140784700
Bunnie looks like THAT?

>>140784752
He's a narcissist.

>>140784796
What a cunt. Can you imagine working with him during those days.

>>140784587
It's mostly Amyfags complaining she wasn't spotlighted like the FFs were. I don't think any writer had it out for her, they just didn't know what to do with her. Amy was just a Sonic fan they stuck in the background because she didn't have much going on at the time and the comic was dealing with SatAM stuff. People always say she got shafted for Mina, but the way Mina's arc plays out wouldn't have worked for Amy. Plus, there's this >>140784616

>>140784753
Don't worry, with how much Robotnik/Eggman goes through robots, they're probably only a few months old at best.

>>140784700
Who is claiming this?

>>140784836
ME!

>>140784753
BY CHIP SHE'S BROKEN THAT MAN IN HALF

>>140784167
https://youtu.be/KBKXu3Kg4yg

>>140784800
Hopefully this pinup will make up for Naugus Games (no it doesn't). But I have something that might help. Now, this is an edited version of the Free Comic Book Day 2011 redo of this story. No references to future stuff and tweaked dialog. If you're not interested then don't worry because I'll do the original 2011 FCBD story when we get to it in the future. But for anyone else, let's compare.

>>140784700
I claim this!

>>140784772
He was very angry about Locke because Locke was based on his own dad and he had his strict vision on how he died.

>>140784818
I guess it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I really feel Archie would have been better off just ditching the SatAM stuff. Maybe that's just a hindsight thing because we can see now that it would have only caused more problems the way Sega did things with the games.

>>140784851
Oh, god, even Spaz can't save this one. DEEP HURTING indeed.

>>140784851
This is the Nebz version. Like I said, we'll still do the original 2011 FCBD issue much later.

>>140784851
That is one ugly fucking Nagus

>>140784750
>Ian's run during the comic concerning other people's characters and hangning plots would be considered kinda disrespectful
Like who?

>>140784815
There was a reason there was some bad blood between Penders and Bollers. J. axer also said working on the comic was one of the worst parts of his career. Dawn Best also didn't have anything nice to say about him.

>>140784758
>>140784772
>>140784784
There was also a lot of additional vitriol from the fact Ian completely ignored his nonsense about a cabal of dark masterminds who were the TRUE masters of all of Mobius who made Gerald and Eggman look like cavemen in comparison, all because Ken fuckijng hated Shadow and Sega pushing him over his own stuff.

>>140784879
This story already cut out four pages of darkness! What the hell is this pacing?! Slow down!

>>140784899
Oh yes, the very first thing Ian retconned out.

>>140784840
Antoine...

>>140784899
What was he even trying to go with that shit?

>>140784906
Worst time to get your coat caught on something.

>>140784818
Archie could give spotlight to literal whos nobody cared about, but yet couldn't do it with Amy?

>>140784879
This is already so much fucking better. Why couldn't you have started us off with this, Conductor?

>>140784935
Naugus is an evil multitasker.

>>140784857
I'm fine with the comic using SatAM as a jumping off point to build its own world. I think they should've just came up with Ian's "another time, another place" kind of adaptions sooner.

>>140784935
I liked Naugus' original ENTER, ngl

>>140784932
Bring back Ian Droid, probably.

>>140784899
Was it that other Robotnik that was teased by that gold Gamma named Isaac?

>>140784952
Fight!
>>140784950
Because this apology doesn't come for another 10 years but someone made an edit for it to be posted now. And you needed to experience the true Naugus Games.

>>140784932
>Ken's cabal subplot is foreshadowed by a gold E-100 named Issac
>Ian Droid's commanding Shadowbot in the Image crossover is also named Issac
He was still trying to get his own OC into the main villain seat, at base minimum.

>>140784750
How is that disrespectful? His editor told him what to do with the characters and story, and if Pellerito told him to off ADAM, Mecha, and Tommy, reinvent anti-Sonic into Scourge, and put a nail on dropped plotpoints, it wasn't his fault he was following orders.

>>140784899
What was he even planning to do with that plotline? Also with how uncreative he was how was he gonna make the guys who made whole new life and Eggman’s list of creations really need no saying look like cavemen?

>>140784995
Sonic almost got the frosty crotch!

>>140784975
>>140784996
Just wow. I can't believe he hated eggman that fucking much yet actually wrote him decently when he did. Why couldnt ken just let shitty Ian Droid go.

>>140784952
>make mac n' cheese while doing so
YOU MONSTER

>>140784952
When did Sonic wish for it here?

>>140785003
To be fair, Ian did want to keep Mecha around, but orders were orders and so she got the axe. Probably why Sage is now a thing.

>>140785026
Nothing worse than getting hit with your own shit.
>>140784957
Yeah it was better than Naugus just appearing. A tradeoff for infinitely better art.

>>140784952
Sonic said the c-word!

>>140785031
Because Ian Droid was supposed to be the ULTIMATE villain of Sonic!

>>140785006
>>140784996

>>140785052
Sega came up with Sage not Ian. The actual amount of work Ian contributes to game story process is also not very clear.

>>140785055
He's burning up!
>>140785045
Taking over Mobius makes a man hungry.
>>140785047
Not sure if it was the fault of the original version of this version or if the editor made the mistake.

>>140785055
This page rocks so hard

>>140785093
What about wind, earth, and heart?

>>140785091
As far as I know, Ian was the one who suggested that the Ancients look like Chaos.

And he apparently had 0 to to do with the Frontiers DLC story.

>>140785086
Wow that sounds like fucking shit, how’s some retard named Ian Droid gonna make those two look primitive?

>>140785031
He wanted Ian Droid to be the ultimate overarching villain of the entire franchise. I distinctly get the impression he only made Droid a version of Robo-Robotnik very, very grudgingly.

>>140785118
He's dual wielding the elements!
>>140785078
:O
>>140785099
Enjoy it while you can because the art's pretty cursed next issue tomorrow.

>>140785129
Sonic Adventure completely cockblocked Dr, Droid.

>>140785129
Ken is so up his ass lmao, and to think anyone would actually like droids ugly ass

>>140784753
Bunnie’s underaged? Doesn’t she get married later?

>>140785152
Turns out burying Sonic on top of a bunch of rings isn't a good idea.

Reminder that Penders said if he came back to the comic he would make Eggman Nega Dr. Droid using a disguise or something -- some kind of body.

>>140785180
>wrrrrrrr
>naugus: not agaaaaaaain!
>>140785165
Someone else almost gets married and they're also underage.

>>140785180
...Which pocket, Sonic?

>>140785209
Nega is just as shitty as Droid so that makes sense

>>140785129
Ken created Robo-Robotnik, back when the baseline Robotnik was just AoStH's version in SatAM's body, and he didn't hesitate then to claim that R-R was the purest evil of all existences. It seems more to me that R-R being Ian was always Ken's plan, but Archie turned him into Eggman behind his back.

>>140785165
Yeah, and the idea that they were rushing into things gets brought up.

Why does it feel like tonight's ride is going on longer than usual?

>>140785232
And that's it for everything today! Tomorrow at 7pm EST, we're going to school! First question on the pop quiz will be "how many toes does Sonic and Tails have?" The answer will surprise you and scar you for life!

>>140785232
Why is Sonic making these casual references to real people and media?

>>140785163
He looks so out of place too, even taking into account other, future villains like the Metarex or Black Doom.

Where does this talk about Penders' shadow cabal come from? All I remember of him talking about that story was that he wanted to imply Eggman stole his tech from 21st century Earth human scientists.

>>140785277
Thanks conductor
>we're going to school!
Oh boy more sexy Bunnie.

>>140785277
>"how many toes does Sonic and Tails have?
Three is the correst choice with some added beans

>>140784815
Couldn't be any worse than Jon Gray having to deal with the racist woman in charge of the comic.

>>140785292
Lol, he really hated this character.

>>140784800
Boo! How can the story not end with Sonic going to the electric chair! And you call yourself a sin city parody!

>>140785280
Because this is a rewrite made by some random guy online, not the actual issue.

>>140785292
When did he say that?!
>>140785320
>Jon Gray having to deal with the racist woman in charge of the comic.
Seriously?

>>140785320
Elaborate.

>>140785126
He wrote parts of the dlc. Mostly the main story. The iffy parts like Big not being real or Amy being a fedora tipper wasn’t him.

>>140785277
Thanks, conductor.

>>140782579
Oh since missed few threads cause of work may as well post the finished designs of Team Chaotix for my AU, lucky to find such accommodating artists to comm

>>140785419
Nice!

>>140785093
Nagus got so pissed off by all those terrible pop culture references that he broke free of the ice!

>>140785389
>Big not being real or Amy being a fedora tipper wasn’t him.

explain

>>140785342
>When did he say that?!
Way back in the day on his old forum.
Let me see if I can find the source on the wayback machine.

>>140785126
From what I've read, the DLC is just an alternate version of the events on the last island made solely for fanservice.

>>140785427
The Big in cyberspace wasn't the real Big, just a copy Sonic conjured up.

Amy talking about how the Ancients seemed to advanced to believe in a god.

>>140785389
Can you elaborate on fedora tipper Amy?

>>140785277
>I liked it even LESS due to the WRITING!
What's this guy's problem with Ian Flynn?

>>140785438
No I mean I don't get what you mean by "Big not being real" or "Amy being a fedora tipper".

>>140785438
So is it canon or non-canon?

>>140785427
According to Sage, Big's presence in the game is a apparition caused by Cyberspace, not the real Big just being there for no real reason
>even though that tracks SA2, Secret Rings and the Twitters SonicPict all have the gag of spotting Big in the background

https://youtu.be/39z7TLjOfQM

>>140785440
>Amy talking about how the Ancients seemed to advanced to believe in a god.

How is that "being a fedora-tipper"? Does everything in real life AND fiction need to worship something?

>>140785180
>alone on thanksgiving night? God, you’re pathetic.

>>140785482
That is so fucking lame

>>140785489
what does "fedora-tipper" even mean?

I've always took it as just a douchy gesture. I wasn't aware of any potential deeper meaning.

>>140785489
It's because it's taken as "They were too smart to believe in a higher power". That's it.

>>140785292
I don't know where the idea of a whole "shadow cabal" came from, but Anon is referring toIvan Kintober, one of Robotnik's ancestors who was the head of the team that dissected the Xorda emissary. Ivan, through his robot Issac, placed himself into stasis in order to not die. Presumably, the plan was for him to be unfrozen and become a major villain (his birthday is June 6th, 2006. You can guess what that is in numbers), but Penders left and Flynn's run would establish that Ivan was dead.

>>140785277
Sonic grams

>>140785489
Yeah why would the Aliens believe in some mystical deity when literally their planet gets destroyed by some space horror, I'd not believe in a god after that

>>140785482
If you mean the fishing ponds, I can buy that. The whole fishing pond area seemed a little too conveniently placed to help Sonic.

>>140785529

>>140785502
It's usually used to describe being a smug atheist nerd because back in the day they would wear things like fedoras to look like gentleman and intelligent for some reason.

>>140785548

>>140784700

>>140785564
Smug nerd I'd believe, the athiest part is new.

>>140785535
Gods exist in Sonic so the line is honestly stupid. It's like how Brian from Family Guy is atheist, yet God and Jesus Christ have literally shown up in the show.

>>140785129
>He wanted Ian Droid to be the ultimate overarching villain of the entire franchise

Laughs in endness.

>>140785449
Amy thinks the ancients having temples and believing in god was strange because they were so scientifically advanced. Pretty hypocritical considering she also has a spiritual side with her Tarot cards.

>>140784534
>10 pages
>>140783945
>04
>>140784551
>28
>24 pages
>Almost half of this story is either darkness or snow textures

>>140785277
>"how many toes does Sonic and Tails have?"
Three with claws and toe beans.

>>140785613
>was just a larper this entire time
lol

>>140785608
The Aliens don't know that though is the thing

>>140785529
>Daniel Harris
Yep, that kid has been successfully converted. He will spend the rest of his life chasing rabbit ass. And so the Sonic IP claims another victim.

>>140785616
I guess Amy considers herself retarded and her hobbies are for brainlets.

>>140785156
I want to imagine the world where Droid was introduced early and then the adventure mandates meant he had to be killed off maybe Ken would have fucked off early

>>140785613
It's strange how only Enerjak and Mogul really come close in terms of being responsible for as many awful things as The End.

>>140785626
Only if you take Ian at face value and he's been wrong before.

>>140785670
either way, the end is lame.

>>140785280
Sonic is just cool like that

>>140785633
Amy knows it, so it's confusing to say otherwise.

Reminder that this is the final boss of the comic according to Locke.

>>140785684
yeaahhh i'm not so sure why people want him to stick around, solaris was 'the god of all time' and yet he was murdered by 3 hedgies and a princess burning out the flame. why should it be a surprise if a purple fucking rock was blown to smithereens, especially if he's lame as fuck

it's not like it totally shits on a number of developments of the franchise by retconning them as 'durr it was a giant conspiracy all along' or anything

>>140785684
All I know is that the whole boss fight is a fucking copy of Ikaruga.

>>140785684
You're lame. *zap*

>>140784952
>I'M MAKING FUCKING MAC AND CHEESE AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME!

>>140785713
Is it really a "retcon" when it involves things we knew nothing about in the first place?

>>140785684
>>140785713
We get it.

>>140785713
The Sonic games don't need an overreaching plot anyway. At most, there can be a few games that can share a narrative, but I prefer most of the the games having more or less their own stories and not try to emulate something like modern cartoons with lore.

>>140785757
i really wish people would stop including voice actor gibs into the scripts of things. you're just as bad as pontaff when you do that
>>140785772
>we knew nothing about in the first place?
they weren't the original intention of those things is the thing. sonic team doesn't think that far ahead, so it's a retcon. especially when those motivations are a lot deeper without some mystical moon overseeing everything

>>140785799
exactly, keep it self--contained. trying to change past events because you're unsatisfied with suspension of disbelief in certain instances just makes it look lame

>>140785802
>especially when those motivations are a lot deeper without some mystical moon overseeing everything
Explain how. I'll wait.

>inb4 the Japanese had some penders-tier master plan that the americans "ruined"

>>140785277
>Tracy Yardley
Did Tracy Yardley become the Golden Standard after issue 160?? His art is great but I swear everysingle artstyle looks the same.
Butler is most affected by this he really had to tone it down

>>140785799
>>140785826
Behold, the logic that created IDW and Forces. God, I fucking wish they pull a Forces 2.0. so you retards will cry and piss blood over it.

>>140785834
>Did Tracy Yardley become the Golden Standard after issue 160?
Pretty much, yeah.

>>140785638
>He will spend the rest of his life chasing rabbit ass.
I can relate.

>>140785827
>>inb4 the Japanese had some penders-tier master plan that the americans "ruined"
nah not really cause it's direct translations for the most part. I mean shit like pachacamac being retconned to have 'the end' controlling him instead of being warlusting. taking away his agency, especially when that wasn't really the intent, just shits on that entire story all for the purposes of fucking hamfisting the whole 'nobody's REALLY A BAD PERSON' schtick where it doesn't belong

>>140785277
That writing was somehow worse than Penders’s. Not even the gag era was that reliant on out of place pop culture references.

>>140785523
And for some reason some people get really angry when you don't believe in invisible beings.

>>140785881
> I mean shit like pachacamac being retconned to have 'the end' controlling him
Citation needed

>>140785608
And all of the "gods" are absolute dicks if not completely malicious.

>>140785901
ian said it in a podcast or something. people were repeating that in these very threads. 'the end was responsible for everything bad happening to sonic' indirectly from every 3d game or something

>>140785883
Yeah, I thought the it was just a shitpost for fun, does the guy actually think he improved on the FCBD issue's writing?

>>140785863
The formula worked before IDW and Forces were even thing. The problem lies with them, not it, retard.

>>140785924
Link to this podcast.

>>140785924
>ian said it in a podcast or something.
>dude just trust me bro

>>140785924
But was it said in the game?

>>140785863
Idw is good

>>140785937
>>140785958
>t. Slashy

>>140785662
Ken would probably be forced to make him turn into Eggman like Robo Robotnik.

>>140785616
No wonder Sonic doesn't like Amy that much, bitch doesn't believe higher power yet does tarrot card reading?
Truly "I am euphoric" Moment

>>140785957
No. There was absolutely nothing stated in the game itself about THE END controlling everything in the history of Sonic. The only thing it could do was say cryptic things to Sonic to trick him into releasing it.

>>140785988
>bitch doesn't believe higher power
it's very unlike her to say such a thing in the first place because it makes her sound like a hypocrite. it's ian once again notu nderstanding what faithful, spiritual characters like amy are like since he is an atheist

>>140786036
Ian did write that

>>140786036
>blaming Ian
>when he self-admittedly didn't work on most of the DLC
Retard.

>>140785981
Who?

>>140785684
It's literally just Galactus, no worse Galactus from the movie

>>140785924
The wiki doesn't mention it, though apparently Ian feels that The End is second to Solaris in terms of power.
>wiki
If The End was the super secret villain behind all the 3D games, I'd expect it to be mentioned, even if that info came from one of the podcasts.

>>140785988
>Sonic fights deities and beings with supernatural powers.
>Amy turns to him and says "I don't believe in that shit."
Imagine Sonic's frustration.

>>140786062
>most of
there's your answer
>>140786085
>even if that info came from one of the podcasts.
i heard that somewhere, i don't remember where i did. if i'm wrong, then good, because that shit sounded retarded as fuck. still, i find it relatively lame because sonic doesn't need a long-running conspiracy villain any more than eggman just being a dick. mystical moon blew up, it's gone. dunno why there needs to be an upset about it

We really getting angry that cartoon animals don't worship something humans created?

>>140786129
they're sapient like humans. think again

>>140784696
Talking about Locke. So what actually happened to him? Did he died on his death bed or was he sacrificed for knuckles

>>140786085
The End is weaker than Solaris since it lost to just Sonic and didn't need the combined powers of Sonic, Shadow, and Silver.

>>140786115
If it can be physically fought and defeated, it isn't a god. It's simply a very powerful being.

>>140786117
So you're assuming his limited work on the DLC included Amy making a simple statement that the Ancients likely didn't worship something?

>>140786117
>Ian didn't work on this DLC in any real sense and explicitly didn't work on the May scene but he's obviously behind everything bad because it's Ian and I hate him!
Do you wake up seething about Ian?

>>140786149
Doesn't mean they'd worship made-up fantasies like we do.

>>140786189
Most ian detractors do

>>140786192
Vector believes in God in the japanese manual of Knuckles Chaotix.

>>140786159
Depends on whether you go by Penders' canon or Flynn's.
Penders: Locke gets ill due to his experimenting on himself and dies in the hospital after a last talk with Knuckles.
Flynn's: Shit happens and Knuckles turns evil. Locke eventually sacrifices himself to uncorrupt his son.
Pender's take happens during M:20YL, hence the two different fates.

>>140786189
There are a surprisingly number of people who despise Ian. You know how insane Sonic fans are.

>>140786164
the comics (i don't care if he's not 'directly writing them they're still taking notes from one another, they mention as such) have deliberately misused amy's tarot cards which also plays into this lack of spiritual understanding. amy also is far less faithful and more pragmatic under ian's thumb, despite that she's a girl who wears her emotions on her sleeve, but the 'lore team' is one of those fucks that sees that shit as not politically correct in current era, so we get boring as fuck amy who doesn't believe in gods because most of the populace in the west doesn't
>>140786189
Did he say he didn't work on the amy scene explicitly or 'most of' the dlc? don't try and dodge the question
>>140786192
>western cope
>>140786224
it's a whole lot more than just ian i despise if you want a hint at the real answer

>>140786224
Ian will become loved worldwide when he finally writes his first good story.

>>140786159
Ian made it so M25YL was an alt timeline with his conclusion of it so Locke's new cannon death is him sacrificing himself to free Knuckles.

Honestly don't know why Ken would be upset at Ian for this. His own version of Locke's death has him apologize for being a shitty husband and father. I guess he felt it was disrespectful since he wrote that to cope with his own dads death

>>140786211
If there was a god, why did he create Eggman?

>>140785988
I don't think that line was meant to be that Amy doesn't believe in God, so much as she's surprised that the Ancients did with all their science.
Especially when Eggman has a conversation with Tails saying that there's no such thing as magic and that everything has an explanation.

>>140785749
“Omg muh le heckin powerlevelz shit now people will finally treat Sonic like it’s le serious and deep and kewl”
The End is Lame.

>>140786262
To punish animal-kind.

>>140786224
For us though, it's basically just the one psycho still thinking the japs have a goddman clue what they're doing and regularly dickrides IDW.

>>140786267
>the Ancients did with all their science.
these things aren't mutually exclusive. you can believe in magic while knowing how to perform science. pretty telling of current society if this is the predominant belief.

>>140786249
You are incredibly unhinged about a fictional character not being Christian.

I HECKING LOVE SCIENCE - Amy Rose

>>140786314
She low-key thinks Eggman is based.

>>140786293
>and regularly dickrides IDW.
i don't like idw. fuck idw. whoever's dickriding it is just as bad for enabling this franchise to stick with its current slop
>>140786310
it is when that character has been deliberately depicted multiple times with magic and being into mysticism. she was literally created to be based on the kind of individual who hyperfixates on mystical shit. It is literally out of character for her to be saying that

>>140786276
Why would he create the things that make him angry and want to punish his creations for?

I can't believe Amy Rose browses Reddit.

You just KNOW Amy is an avid fan of Rick and Morty.

>>140786310
He's a genuine psychopath. Just ignore it.

>>140786268
Child, people have been power-leveling Sonic's villains for decades.

>>140784899
>cabal of dark mastermind
Is this still a plan/story concept by Penders for sonic? I google it and found nothing

>>140786330
That mystery is still yet to be solved concerning homosexuality.

>>140786328
>she was literally created to be based on the kind of individual who hyperfixates on mystical shit

And when was this ever shown in the games before Frontiers? It was briefly mentioned in the Sonic CD instruction manual ("My tarot cards said I'd meet my hero here!") and then completely and utterly ignored until Frontiers.

>>140786294
The Ancients were to create what was essentially a different dimension that they could put their souls/memories/whatever into. They were practically gods in and of themselves.
And, it's just a writing cliche to have smart characters feel that higher powers isn't logical. F-Zero GX had an interview question censored in the english version for pretty much the same reason, as an example.

>>140786373
If God created it, then it's something he wanted to exist. Why do his followers rage against the will of the almighty?

>>140786387
There was that one Sonic Channel comic where she used a crystal ball.

>>140784996
What issue was this

>>140786410
The Earth lorebook (the Bible) said it was bad.

>>140786416
Oh wow, a non-game comic. If Japan was so concerned about it why did they ignore it?

>>140785988
I know anons are getting angry at this but the idea sounds like something funny out of a gag-comic, or like a gag from Sonic Boom if they were allowed to tell bolder jokes

>>140786387
>until Frontiers.
given what you're saying about her non-belief i don't even think this is true. they're just wanking it to get feel-good results just from the mere mention of it like half of the proper-noun soup of this game is designed to do
>>140786393
>it's just a writing cliche to have smart characters feel that higher powers isn't logical.
amy isn't supposed to be techie. it'd make more sense for tails to say that over amy if you're talking about 'smart characters' not understanding that shit, sounds like he'd fit the cliche better>>140786416
>where she used a crystal ball.
wasn't there a sonic channel outfit recently where she was depicted with that kinda shit?
nevermind all the magical-girl shit she's been depicted with, like summoning sonic, being able to sense him on command and turning invisible and of course, let's not forget the hammer.
most scientific character of the bunch
>>140786433
>If Japan was so concerned about it why did they ignore it?
they have americans to sell to. americans hate weebshit

>>140786393
>The Ancients were to create what was essentially a different dimension that they could put their souls/memories/whatever into. They were practically gods in and of themselves.
And got owned by a talking rock.

Regardless, if they are able to accomplish that stuff, how is the idea of a higher being out of the question, unless they arrogantly thought nobody in the entire universe could surpass them?

>>140786429
So not even God can decide what of the things HE CREATED he likes and hates. The Bible also says that eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, working on the Sabbath, planting two crops in the same field, and letting menstruating women onto holy ground is bad but his followers completely ignore those commands.

Amy the reddit hog

Hey! I'm the one who counts the Hasta la Vistas. Couldn't say anything because I was banned, but I still managed to keep a count.
Storytime #50: 13
Storytime #51 14
Storytime #53 (this one): (NumBUR) 15!

>>140786328
You are a retarded nigger who uses buzzwords like "slop" unironically

>>140786463
>unless they arrogantly thought nobody in the entire universe could surpass them

They were the Enerjak to THE END's Mogul.

>>140786418
Issue #148.
It wasn't a shadow cabal though, it was just Robotnik's ancestor.
>>140786460
>amy isn't supposed to be techie. it'd make more sense for tails to say that over amy if you're talking about 'smart characters' not understanding that shit,
The context is Amy being surprised that the Ancients believed in a higher power. It's not that Amy herself follows that cliche, it's that she's surprised that the Ancients didn't follow that cliche.
>wasn't there a sonic channel outfit recently where she was depicted with that kinda shit?
The one with Blaze, I think.
>>140786463
Again, it's just an assumption Amy had. According to Sage, the Ancients did believe in a higher power.

>>140786496
Now I'm imagining THE END in a fancy suit.

>>140786481
Is this the worst catchphrase sonic has ever been given?

>>140786496
It's a wonder how the Ancients didn't job to their own spaceships before they came to Earth.

>>140786481
That's a lot of Hasta La Vistas.

>>140786471
You have to take into the account the Bible is mostly written through a humans' POV and interpretations of what God said.

>>140786532
Someone make a shop of this, stat.

>>140786529
But why would Amy believe in that cliche in the first place? Do Tails and Eggman speak atheist babble offscreen in the games?

>>140786529
>it's that she's surprised that the Ancients didn't follow that cliche.
this is a very stupid assumption but given current society i can't be too surprised.
now that makes at least a modicum more sense. it's still kinda stupid though. those things aren't mutually exclusive

>>140786567
>speak atheist babble
the one who wrote it certainly did lmao

>>140786551
If I were a god I'd show myself to my followers and personally give them a book of rules and regulations so that they know without any uncertainty someone is watching them and will smite them if they get stupid.

>>140786567
Tails, not as far as I know.
Eggman is full enough of himself that he probably does and even has a conversation with Tails that reveals he doesn't believe in magic.

You think Vector ever tried to convert Amy to the Word of the Lord?

>>140786568
Society needs to move away from what goat herders wrote 2,000 years ago and focus on the here and now as well as the future of our species.

>>140786617
ah man, yes, scientism, my favorite.
you don't know how you've got it man. i pity you, really.

>>140786612
She's not into that jive turkey hippity-hop he constantly listens to.

>>140786624
If God were real, he wouldn't have allowed Satan to fuck over Adam and Eve. He wouldn't have put the tree in the garden in the first place.

>>140786651
i'm not arguing that shit with you. all i'm saying is the 'here and now' has been corrupted beyond any sense of the word and i ain't gonna preach to those who won't get it.
you have to be willing y'know. i can't do that shit to you if you wanna be closed off to it.

if i say any more it's gonna get into /pol/ territory so lets not

>>140786568
Amy's exact line is
>"They believed in a god even with all this amazing technology?"
The implication being that she assumes that once you get to the point of digitizing your soul/memories, you could probably do so much that the question of faith becomes trickier.

>>140786612
>It's Sunday, and you desperately need a case to be solved by the Chaotix, only to find the building closed because Vector dragged the gang to church.
>Welp, looks like you're gonna have to try to find a way to pay that ransom money for your kidnapped daughter before the deadline

>>140786675
>all i'm saying is the 'here and now' has been corrupted beyond any sense of the word and i ain't gonna preach to those who won't get it

The fuck are you even talking about? I've never heard of this phrase being "corrupted".

>>140786691
kek

>>140786702
>you could probably do so much that the question of faith becomes trickier.
Nah. it doesn't really. You can still believe in a higher power while building technology built on the foundations of real science. Which as the other guy said, sage confirms is what they actually did, which makes sense, all things considered.
i was under the implication that amy's statement was truth based on their lore. it's still silly since it's inherently based in atheism to begin with, but less stupid than i thought.
>>140786723
not telling you, but basically, everyone's a goddamn hypocrite, really.

>>140786651
Why wouldn't he? He's God. It means he can basically do whatever the fuck he wants for shits and giggles. Who's gonna stop him?

>>140786743
>the signs were there the whole time

Sonic does not date atheists.

>>140786759
So why do people worship such an asshole?

>>140786744
>not telling you
I despise faggots like you who say things then refuse to elaborate or explain, thinking that everyone should magically know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>140786702
That's weird for a girl so into the occult and tarot cards and stuff

>>140786783
That's right, Sonic is a true believer.

>>140786816
>So why do people worship such an asshole?
Because you go to Hell if you don't.

>>140786816
>thinking that everyone should magically know what the fuck you're talking about.
it's /pol/ territory, so it doesn't belong here, primarily. also not very sonic related, so i'm refusing to elaborate for this reason.
you can feel free to seethe but i don't expect you to get it.

Iizuka said Chaos went to heaven at the end of Sonic Adventure.

>>140786529
>The one with Blaze, I think.
This one?

>>140786847
You brought it up in the first place, don't run and hide and act like a shit-brained faggot when you're questioned about it.

>>140786834
I think her being into those things is exactly why that convo is with her and not someone like Tails. Amy likely feels that the Ancients, being so technology focused, wouldn't into mystical stuff.

>>140786855
Where?

>>140786840
He'll send you to hell anyway, only 11,800 people are going to be spared when he destroys all of his creation with the rest being sent to eternal damnation.

>>140786567
I would like to say Tails say something like "The supernatural and magic are real but one day I'll crack that code too" It would be fun since Witchcart is part of his rogue gallery.

>>140786873
yeah it was, thanks anon.
also i know there's something with an alternative universe or whatever but that's really irrelevant

>>140786873
>Amy, why are you using a half-peeled hard-boiled egg?

>>140786895
It was in an interview. He also said he doesn't think Eggman tortured Sonic when he was imprisoned in Forces and kinda dissed the Sonic Boom designs. I forgot what it was for.

>>140786873
Yeah, that one.
Amy's interest in the occult was one of those character tics that vanished for a time, but came back relatively recently.

>>140786942
So Amy believes in Satan, not God.

>>140786840
Hell's better anyway

>>140786960
I doubt you've been to California.

>>140786855
>9/11s Station Square
>goes to heaven

>>140786942
Came back with a vengeance, too. They're going a bit overboard with it, actually. It was supposed to be a cute hobby, something a bunch of girls her age would be into. Now, they're having it replace her hammer's moveset in the games.

>>140787120
>Now, they're having it replace her hammer's moveset in the games.
yeah that's honestly going too far. it should've been a bit more varied

>>140787120
>>140787139
The franchise works in extremes. Nothing new.

>>140787167
of course it isn't. doesn't make it any less depressing though

>>140787115
I guess his heaven has 72 virgins

>>140786974
They cancelled Hell over there ages ago.

>>140787217
Too many gays in there. That's problematic.

>>140787237
Yet you're the biggest faggot of them all

>>140787256
How did you know?!

>this fucking thread
See you tomorrow lads

>>140787286
It's simple, really
you're posting in a Sonic thread

>>140782579
Whoa, Page 10 already? I didn't even get to post, what happened?

WITH MY LAST BREATH I CURSE SONIC FRONTIERS FOR DERAILING ANOTHER THREAD!