>>137088011
For those that want WORDS.

>>137088035
In Archie they head to Albion, the non-Angel Island home of the echidnas. This time, we're heading to Mercia.

>>137088047
Some more info for those that want it.

>>137088076
Ah, there's my wife! And my other wife!

>>137088011
>Question: What do you think of all these Archie continuations and reboots?
They're pretty neat. Goodness knows these folks are all giving it their damnedest.

>Has interest in the series gone up?
It never really stopped. The fact all these continuations exist at all speaks to just how invested people were and still are in this series.

>>137088011
>What do you think of all these Archie continuations and reboots? Has interest in the series gone up?

They’re cool. They fill the void in heart for more Archie sonic which I miss a lot.

>>137088089
There's Knuckles and Dimitri, everyone's favorite former evil god that's now a reformed head.

>>137088114
Here's Cream and [REDACTED].
>>137088090
Would you say that it's more popular than even when it was running? Archie Sonic seemed to have not been as big because Sonic wasn't doing too well for a while.

>>137088011
>Question: What do you think of all these Archie continuations and reboots? Has interest in the series gone up?
There definitely more of them than before. I think a combination of yearning for more Archie and IDW crashing and burning probably has something todo with it.

Anyways LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>137088089
Is it just me, or does this artist draw Lien-Da kinda thicc tho?

>>137088144
Mina has an interesting redesign. If Sally and Barbie can do it, then so can she.
>>137088101
So many choices too!

>>137088170
Why is she topless now lmao.

>>137088076
Rob my beloved!

>>137088170
Ash isn't quite an ass. Maybe it's because there's no blue hedgehogs around.
>>137088146
If only there was even a small chance for Sega to see the interest and do something about it.

>>137088144
>Would you say that it's more popular than even when it was running? Archie Sonic seemed to have not been as big because Sonic wasn't doing too well for a while.
Eh. Hard to say. More like Archie has been elevated to a pedestal, if that makes sense. It's the older thing now, so the nostalgia factor is definitely in play. Good memories are overwriting the bad ones.

>>137088193
Naugus has four voices in his (Geoffrey's) head calling him out.
>>137088158
No complaints here!
>>137088185
She's liberated!

>>137088216
Amy has chosen the path of violence.
>>137088192
There he is!
>>137088214
Good for people to actually read it and not listen to those only pointing out the really bad points of the series. Hundreds of issues and yet it's the same few things trolls and haters like to bring up.

>>137088011
>What do you think of all these Archie continuations and reboots?
Must confess I can't get enough of them.
Has interest in the series gone up?
Maybe. Or maybe it's a confluence of webcomic having become mainstream and fans of the series having grown old enough to finally have the means to make their won project?

>>137088246
It is weird how we never hear anything about Amy's parents. Not even in Archie.

>>137088089
Eggman kinda slipped up there. Lien-Da doesn't know what happened to Snively. Nobody does.

>>137088114
I'm sure this chronic backstabber won't perform any more chronic backstabbing, Dimitri.

>>137088269
That's the main story but we still got a bit more to go!
>>137088266
>Maybe. Or maybe it's a confluence of webcomic having become mainstream and fans of the series having grown old enough to finally have the means to make their won project?
>thanos: fine, i'll do it myself

>>137088144
Cute walrus.

>>137088144
actually like Rotor's design here, nice mix of his Satam and Archie look, though everyone forgets his red phase from season 2.

>>137088297
Swiggity swooty, Sonic's coming for that booty.
>>137088290
>I'm sure this chronic backstabber won't perform any more chronic backstabbing, Dimitri.
Beggars can't be choosers.

>>137088246
>Amy has chosen the path of violence.
Her Sweet Passion is in breaking eggs with a giant hammer.

>>137088170
SHIRTLESS MINA SEXOOOOOOOO

>>137088193
Geoffrey is such a loathsome creature that Naugus possessing him is an improvement.

>>137088319
Now for a cute Nicole and Uncle Chuck story.
>>137088307
It's a nice look.
>>137088311
>everyone forgets his red phase from season 2
The stoner looking one?

>>137088170
Mina you slut put some clothes on...or don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJXuOGYbYE
I have made a sprite animation of tails, if you guys want to check it out.

>>137088348
Nicole's so busy helping everyone and feels guilty when she thinks about what she wants for herself.

>>137088193
He did try and tell her that her songs causing Nicole's banishment weren't "hateful", so he's still kind of a cunt - and he's wearing pants. But he is relatively nicer than usual, yes.

>>137088353
Awesome!

>>137088348
>Nicole 9000
Oh that can't be good.

>>137088216
Claiming that monkey dude.

>>137088368
Looks like the backup story in the next issue will be about Bunnie. Wonder what this comic will do with her.

>>137088348
Nicole, my beloved.

>>137088035
>giving ownership credit to Penders
I thought the jury still wasn't out on that one. I am not sure if it's for playing it safe, but it leave a sour taste in my mouth to coddle the man in any way unless it's necessary.

>>137088246
Amy when possed should speak in a deep British accent.

>>137088401
We got ourselves a pinup!

>>137088348
yeah that's the one, where he looked like this

>>137088246
ENTER ROB. And Amy yearns to commit ultra-violence.

>>137088429
The comics may be done but we still have a gag strip and info pages to go through.

>>137088435
What the tuck were they thinking with this

>>137088368
awww Nicole, honestly maybe horrific clone body experiments wouldn't be a bad idea.

>>137088445
Tell those uninvited guests to get out!

>>137088297
Tails Doll is doing the family guy death-pose in that second panel.

>>137088460
Shoutout for Tangle & Whisper: New Roads. New issue is supposed to be coming out soon so expect more lesbian fun in the near future!

>>137088469
the Sonic series really has fallen in love with that pose hasn't it.

>>137088346
Kek. But you're also right.

>>137088353
Kino. Nice work anon!

>>137088089
Gee, who knew that following the nutjob that blasted your people back to the stone age would be a bad idea, Lien-Da?

>>137088460
Kek at that off panel. Just released something, I don’t think SatFF has its own off panels. For shame conductor, and you call yourself an Archie fan.

>>137088460
>Danica Patrick and Mario teaming up to battle Archie Sonic villains
... Media branding was a mistake.

>>137088480
>page named sonally
>all other pages just have the characters' names
Good news, Toddposter and other Sonallychads.

>>137088144
Hopefully this page stays.

>>137088504
Not even the married couple have their page named Bunntoine.
>>137088495
Sadly I'm too focused on making every page count. Not even doing backup stories although I have wanted to.

>>137088480
>Whisper making sure her wife keeps warm
Bruh, I fucking can't. Why are they so perfect?

>>137088011
>It’s the start of a new Archie continuation!
You can kill the man, but you can’t kill the idea

>>137088525
>amy
>age: teenager. mostly. don't ask
Archie got screwed over by Sega on that. Still a weird way to go about it.

>>137088368
Poor sad Nicole in that fourth panel. But also exploitable.

>>137088525
It’s fine. Doing at least one in the future would be cool tho.

>>137088486
I bet Naugus invented a new game called "If I self Harm, does Geoffrey feel it?"

>>137088549
Damn, Nicole gets her own page? Well, some other characters do as well.

>>137088573
Chuck with clothes, yay or nay? I don't think it was ever discussed when he started wearing them when the Secret FF started up.

>>137088460
Look, who'd you rather have: Me, the brilliant Dr. Wily or that psychopath, Bison?

>>137088549
Honestly, it was kinda worth it for the Rosy the Rascal sequence.

>>137088089
Lien-Da sexo

>>137088481
After Murder of Sonic, it is becoming a constant.

>>137088591
It's Tails with some junk in the trunk!

>>137088609
[REDACTED] and Eggman should have a sumo match.

>>137088630
I like Dimitri but I wish we got more of him as Enerjak. Fucking Mammoth Mogul.

>>137088573
Damn right best girl gets her own page.

>actually bringing up the time loop thing
I do wonder if there was ever a plan to address that in Archie proper. Goodness knows it'd be a better use of everyone's time than the actual future stories that got told.

>>137088089
ah Lien-Da, the only one of Pender's echidnas to be worth something besides Dimitri...I bet Lien-Da's ironically a virgin.

>>137088648
Mmmmm!

>>137088269
>suddenly brit Amy
Are we going to see Tekno too?

>>137088630
aw shit Rotor's gonna send you back the way you came

>>137088668
They're a bunch of faceless jobbers. They don't need an image.

>>137088668
Excuse me? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry. Mommy? Sorry

>>137088573
ah Nicole...so beautiful, though I always struggle with which look of hers I prefer as fan of both classic and reboot.

>>137088697
And it's fitting that we bring up the ass of this issue with a couple of assholes! But one more thing to post for this comic.

>>137088525
At least they share a splash page.

>>137088713
then there's this absolute living pile of dog shit...oh and Naugus is there to.

>>137088713
Here's what's to expect in the next issue. Not sure when we'll get the next one but I'll keep an eye out for any announcements. Tomorrow at 7pm EST we'll do more comics but today's that day again.

Honestly, perhaps the worst part of Nicole being exiled from the series is that she will never have a confrontation with Sage. Fucking imagine.

>>137088713
You have to save one: Jack of the Sand Blasters or Geoffrey. Who do you choose?

>>137088011
Sonic and the Freedom Fighters Issue 3 Page 8
https://mobiuscomics.com

Grimer has his own place and he’s a very busy man. Imprisoning people, torturing them, turning them into superniks. Stuff like that.

>>137088573
Good, she earned it.
>>137088706
I prefer her classic look myself, mostly because I love the black fur patterns on her hand and feet that give a sort of natural socks and gloves look.

>>137088353
Good quality of sprite animation.

>>137088573
Nicole deserves it.

>>137088762
>Nicole vs. Sage
>It Mega Man Battle Network meets ReBoot on steriods.

>>137088771
Don't blame Grimer as he's had to put up with this for ages across multiple fan comics XD

>>137088591
No Mobian male should be wearing pants or shirts.

>>137088774
aye though I'm a sucker for the latex clothing, honestly both are superb really though I aimed more the reboot when I commissioned a redesign of her

>>137088771
Fucking lmao at the backstory. Also, Tekno my beloved is there! Hopefully she’ll turn to good right?

>>137088713
FUCK YOU GEOFFREY.

>>137088767
I let them both die.

>b-but-
Bitch I will derail this train myself if it means killing them.

>>137088771
>Shorty works in a store

I see Nicole, I swoon. Simple as.

>>137088797
I am convinced that Sage is at least partially inspired by Nicole. Flynn even wrote the game for fucks sake.

>>137088401
>Next Bunnie Rabbot
Yes. Hope they do a better job with her this time. Still wonder what Glitcher has in store for her...

I need an Archie lore expert to explain where the nocturnus fit in its lore because I heard they were part of it

>>137088771
>Shorty is basically Ash from Evil Dead
Amazing.

Also, Grimer is way more evil-looking in this than he is normally.

>>137088838
The important thing is all Nicoles are adorable and precious.

>>137088481
To be fair, that pose is basically perfect. It communicate immediately what it is trying to convey.

>>137088951
true dat my Niccer

>>137088889
I believe they said the DL were an offshoot of the Nocturnus Clan.

>>137088889
Even though they're mentioned in the Archie Encyclopedia, they're not in the comics and at this point Chronicles isn't canon with any official continuity. They're kind of the same as the Dark Legion and Shade is their Julie-Su. But there are plenty of differences and the Nocturnus Clan doesn't have the Penders stink.

>>137088504

https://sonicchaoscontrol.tumblr.com/post/716602087001161728/ch-1-page-17-first-previous-next-wip

>>137088504
YEAH BABY WOO

>>137088902
Dammit, now I'm gonna hear Bruce Campbell whenever I read Shortfuse.
>Tell me where the Freedom Fighters are?!
>Woah woah, waitaminute! You gotta understand, man... I-I never even saw these assholes before!!

>>137088951
Correct.

>>137088573
>That future is gone
Sonic really need to stop doing that.

This issue was pretty decent. I really like the attitude the guys behind this have when making it compared to ASO

>>137088838
Cute.

>>137088573
>Fest Friends
So that's how they call it, these days.

>>137088739
Dammit! I forgot again!
Rate the issue.

>>137089290
8/10

>>137088609
Tails's profile page could have come up earlier.

>>137089290
8/10, I liked it.

>>137088630
That Eggman design is... something else. I could see it growing on me, but right now; it look like he was drawn by someone who has never seen Eggman but is still talented enough and got a good enough description to give us what is unmistakeably an Eggman, but not one we have seen before.

>>137089456
he looks very much like the Mythbusters guy.

>>137089360
>>137088648
>>137088668
>>137088697
Speaking of, Dimitri, Lien-Da and even the Dark Legion even get their page but Knuckles.

>>137088609
Is it just me or this tails from archie forever look weird compared to the yardley one ?

>>137088739
Thanks a lot, conductor. that was a really neat one. Wouldn't even know about it if this weren't for those threads...

>>137088771
Seeing how things have turned in the Okida comic, someone has to pick up the Evil Grimmer torch.

Was Tekno also originally working for him in Sonic the Comic?

>>137089052
It's time you admit it, Sonic, you have a time-travel problem.

>>137089781
>Was Tekno also originally working for him in Sonic the Comic?
Yes and then she was imprisoned for not wanting to work for Robotnik anymore.

>>137089681
He looks fat and his eyes seem to be way too far apart.
Also he lost his white fur.

>>137089290
8/10. It was fun.

>>137089781
Tekno worked under him and Robotnik, yes. Then she decided she didn't want to be an evil scientist anymore for understandable reasons, and got locked up.

>>137089256
Not sure what you mean. the point of ASO was always to stick to the original Flynn plan before the reboot, for the better and the worse.

Forever has a different optic of making things different for aspect of the story they thought didn't fit quite well enough. (a bit like Retold by the way)

Different intents lead to different outcomes.

>>137089290
7.5/10
It's a nice start, but it's just setting things up.

>>137089681
>>137089848
He looks fine in the comic, though.

>>137088011
>What do you think of all these Archie continuations and reboots?
They and the Fleetway Continuations seem to be a bit, stronger compared to most other works. If that makes any sense.

>>137088035
I like words

>>137090132
That's because both Archie and Fleetway give a good basis go build off of, which leads to something more stable overall.

>>137089932
Yeah he does look better in the actual comic.

https://www.deviantart.com/frostbitewhiteknight/art/The-Adventures-of-Sonic-the-Hedgehog-pg-52-961359196

>>137091133
ENTER THE MAN WITH THE MASTER PLAN

>>137091133
He looks entirely trustworthy and would never betray anyone ever!

>>137088353
Why is Tails so violent? He's beating the shit out of himself. Nice work anon.

>>137088011
>Question
Love them! I hate when a story remains unfinished and all these reboots and continuations do a great job of fixing that. I think interest hasn't reduced at least. We're still seeing new artists do Archie Sonic art and create new comics
>>137088114
Knuckles!
>>137088144
It's redacted! I think the freckles(?) look cute
>>137088158
I can almost hear the thunderclaps when she walks!
>>137088170
>Mina's topless
>Ash isn't
It's not fair! At least give him a mesh top so I can see his pecs ;_;
>>137088192
He's so handsome!
>>137088216
>two Geoffreys
Oh my!
>>137088269
>It is weird how we never hear anything about Amy's parents.
Would be interesting to see
>>137088307
Illegal thoughts!
>>137088353
Nice! Great to see you're working on animations too
>>137088397
Sold! I've got to be on my best behavior in case my husbandos Rob Remington show up!
>>137088401
That was a cute little story
>>137088435
Harrowing
>>137088439
Don't mind if I do!

>>137091751
You can at least be happy they gave all the Mobians in this sharp teeth, Thirstposter.

>>137088504
I like that they just list the ages as adult
>sonally
Nice!
>>137088525
Easily the comfiest relationship in Archie
>>137088527
>Why are they so perfect?
Perfect? Are you sure you're not thinking of Rough and Tumble? Seriously though, it'll be nice to see Whisper and Tangle being romantic in fancomics
>>137088549
>Archie got screwed over by Sega on that. Still a weird way to go about it.
I'd have had her go to Little Planet for a few months but come back years older as a competent adventurer due to its time dilatation effects. I'd also make her mostly over her crush on Sonic
>>137088591
>Chuck with clothes
I like it!
>>137088609
Everyone's dummy thicc in this!
>>137088630
It's a good look!
>>137088648
I just wish they'd give him a body
>>137088665
Ahem! Surely you're forgetting best boy Remington!
>>137088668
There she is!
>>137088739
Thanks Konductor!
>>137088771
Shorty my belovéd!
>>137088866
>>137088902
They're both very handsome!

>>137089052
Things could be going better for Sonic
>>137089290
9.5/10. Archie comics only get a 10 if Remington shows up. Seriously though, it's a great first issue
>>137091133
What could possibly go wrong?
>>137091938
It's such an underrated trait!
>>137082600
>I hope your eyes are okay.
It's a little easier to read in the upscale, but not by much. I have to keep zooming in and out and guessing some words with context. Some of the text's even smaller on some pages ;_; Still, it's actually quite relaxing doing the lettering

>>137092086
what is it you like about Remmington

>>137092261
He's handsome, caring, dependable, dedicated to helping people without needing superpowers, and has several cute outfits (especially his Albion one). I also liked his interactions with Knuckles and the Chaotix. He was always much more straightforward with Knuckles than the other Echidna's were (*cough* Locke) and was willing to trust the rest of the Chaotix with protecting the city even though they weren't guardians. Mostly I think he imprinted on me since I started reading the stories with him in them at a time when I was starting to think of boys as more than friends

>>137088144
>REDACTED
Did Baraposter take his name?

>>137088739
Thanks Conductor

>>137092537
ah fair enough then mate, earliest Archie I read was the gag based stuff

>>137088170
Damn that's jarring

>>137092620
He's too powerful to mention directly!
>>137092729
Thanks for listening, it's pretty rare I get to gush about him! The gag stuff was pretty good, and an interesting contrast with SatAM and the later comic.

>>137093669
aye everyone has that niche character they like, for me It's Mordred Hood, Carrotia, Conquering Storm and Collie Chang.

>>137093767
Yeah, it's nice to talk about the more obscure characters. I guess because they don't have as many appearances as the main cast it's easier to come up with your own interpretation that's still compatible with the main canon. Mordred's definitely a good pick, he's so incorrigibly bad!

It's crazy to think that issue 3 will have all its pages done this month. The last page will blow people away. Not even TP knows.

>>137094373
Looking great!
>>137094703
>Not even TP knows.
I have my suspicions, pic related!

>>137094771
Not even that can compare.
>>137094373
>missing
RIP

>>137094962
>Not even that can compare.
Pic related!
>>137094962
>RIP
F. At least it's a confirmed good design!

>>137095057
MOTHERFUCKER, THAT WASN'T EVEN SALLY THAT TIME

>>137095250
It's how it be in these threads.

>>137094188
Joeadok is definitely making Mordred a fun character.

>>137094771
GRYFOOOOOOOOOONE

>>137096042
Aye got redesign for character done just now but will post him next thread

>>137096050
>Konductor thinks I don't know the ending
Little does he know I've already go the last page!
>>137096042
I really hope he turns his omnicanon into a comic at some point

>>137088592
Bison already spends all his time trying to become the little girl, we don't need him going all furfaggy on top of that!

>>137091133
Here come troubles.

>>137096412
it was Collie Chang picture done by Sonicguru, I guess she was just to attractive and utterly SFW that the mods/jannies/twats had to delete it.

>>137096559
That's why I make sure to post characters that are fully clothed!

>>137094703
They don't have the balls to kill Amy, but I'd be a full-time reader if they did

>>137091133
https://www.deviantart.com/frostbitewhiteknight/art/Meanbean-Sally-926189590
Interesting titbit Frostbite made this drawing of Sally based on a design by MeanBean for their Sonic Future AU in a stream.

Love the belt. However, I can't find the original Meanbean drawing it's based on.

https://www.deviantart.com/tracingpapier/art/can-you-hear-me-are-you-far-away-and-distracted-961284455
>More post-mecha sally stuff by TracingPapier
Look like Sally is not the only affected one.

>>137097042
why does no one draw him actually fucking his wife?

>>137089290
9.5/10

>>137097275
It's interesting how interconnected the Sonic fan community is
>>137097307
Damn
>>137097310
Because he's too cute to waste on a grill! Seriously though, most of his fans only like dudes, and the ones that draw him with girls draw him with Sally ;_;

>>137097403
>spoiler
curse this world.

>>137097403
god yeah, I fucking hate that shit so much, I want to look at nice Sally smut without seeing her brother, her father, her adopted nephew...just draw her fucking Sonic for fucks sake...on a lighter note in a discord with frostbite, seems like a nice dude really.

>>137097413
yeah, Furry smut artists have such dog shit taste when they aren't making solid gold

>>137097413
>>137097423
Not judging anyone who enjoys that stuff, it's very much not for me. I only enjoy smut of them separately. At least he's got a lot of solo smut, and some stuff with Antoine

>>137097486
power to ya, oh will be posting Mordred Hood redesign next thread so look forward to that. Also honestly Elias looks like a fox, gets it from his dad probably.

>>137097543
Looking forward to it! Yeah, my headcanon is the Acorns have been selectively breeding with the hottest Mobians for generations so there's a bit of everything in them. They rule not through fear, the divine right of kings, or even a magic puddle, but by being extremely attractive!

>>137097678
well must of missed Max then the wretched clump of flesh, honestly would track since Sally gets with Sonic who's essentially the genetic peak in Mobius.

>>137097712
See, I think Max would've been mega hot when he was younger too. The Zone of Silence scrambled his body and his brains though so he couldn't even see what a catch Sonic is

>>137097742
each their own I guess, rather Max died the moment he left the Void really. Curious if you got any fan art of Elias if he survived into the reboot?

>>137097823
Yeah, it a lot of ways it would've been better if he had. Or at least not turned into a Robian genociding rock.
I'm afraid not, and most of what I do have can't be posted here. I do have this cool one of him if he'd been allowed into the crossover and got turned into a robot master

>>137097877
that is pretty cool even as someone who's not that big a fan of the character.

>>137097938
The energy blade grappling hooks are really awesome

>>137088011
>>137091133
The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog Page 52
https://www.deviantart.com/frostbitewhiteknight

>>137088486
>>137088385
>>137091751
thanks
>>137091620
Cuz i had just made a sprite sheet for one character and i decided to do tails on tails violence, this entire animation taught me a ton of how SMBZ was made, HOLY fuck the amount of sprite sheets they must have used. also thanks.

>>137097042
Not just the ladies, Elias.

>>137097310
Most of his fans are gay or pair him with Sally instead. And his wife is such a side-character that I'm not sure if they even know he's married.

>>137088011
Hopeless Future Chapter 2 Page 1
https://www.deviantart.com/deadny
And so our story continues.

>>137098747
that's a VERY unique way to spell "psychic"

>>137088762
She’d be the Hero counterpart to Sage’s Dark.

Some thread agaon, someone asked for a wholesome Sonadow story, and I think I just stumbled upon this one that one that seems to fill quite the bill:
Sonadow College life:
https://www.deviantart.com/gottagoblast/gallery/54014578/sonadow-college-life
Classic college AU, but Shadow and Sonic discover they are gay.

So do they have any plans for Shadow in this shit?

He's the one character who helps carry the franchise along with Sonic.

>>137099634
Well, it's a continuation of the pre-boot Archie Sonic comic, so there is no reason to leave shadow behind.

>>137099657
I'm just asking because I noticed that he doesn't have a character profile.

>>137099634
Shadow doesn't really have much of a role in the stories that the continuations are doing. He was famously absent from even the part of a Sonic Universe story where Eggman was attacking GUN because he was keeping an eye on the President at the time. He gets more usage in the reboot and even then it's side stuff.

>>137097307
PTSD is a bitch
>>137097877
>Acorn Man
>Weapon: Hookshot(think better Thunderclaw)
>Weakness: Black Wave
>"Prepare for a Royal Beatdown."

>>137099771
>Shadow doesn't have much screentime in Archie overall
Fuck this shit.

>>137099712
well, neither does Knuckles.

>>137099827
Compared to a lot of other major and even minor characters he doesn't get as much usage but he's in a good number of issues. He has some good arcs. It's mostly detached from the main series, especially after he leaves Eggman and works for GUN.

>>137100065
It's one of my major gripes with Archie.
Shadow is one the flagship characters of the series and they buried him for OCs.

>>137100166
He still had more usage overall compared to other continuities and it is considered one of if not the best characterization for him. If you put all of his issues together you'd get a substantial run of comics featuring him.

>>137092537
>>137097042
>>137097403
It's so funny that Remington the stock police chief and Wynmacher the stepdad are so much more likeable and interesting than any of the amazing Brotherhood of Guardians.

If it weren't for Elias, I'd be convinced that Penders was completely incapable of creating an intentionally likable character.

https://www.deviantart.com/bluearcher69/art/Farmering-960228136
Just some rando gender flip (but no change of clothes)

>>137098747
A bunch of grammar errors, but the adventures of Blaze and baby Silver continue!

>>137100065
NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE ARCHIE SHADOW HE DOESN'T BROOD ALONE IN A WASTELAND AND ACT TSUNDERE ENOUGH AAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE

All kidding aside, I did like his portrayal in Archie. It wasn't perfect, especially pre-Reboot, but he had some gravitas whenever he showed up.

The people who bitch about Archie Shadow are invariably just nitpicking about stupid shit like him not being OP enough or having connections with other characters.

>>137100166
To be fair, the comic had been running for years before Sonic Adventure 2 had even come out. Shadow doesn't even appear until issue #98. They're not just gonna dump all their pre-existing characters to the side for the new guy.

>>137100505
Penders is really spotty when it comes to making likable characters. Archimedes was great as Knuckles' mentor. Remington and Wyn are good as well as the dingo cabby. Stryker was a good villain to uneasy ally for Knuckles.

>>137099634
>>137100166
Shadow doesn't appear a lot in Archie, but when he does, he's given a fair amount of gravitas both in the preboot and reboot. Hell, his whole arc with Eclipse in the reboot is probably THE most fondly remembered aspect of it.

>>137100624
>The people who bitch about Archie Shadow are invariably just nitpicking about stupid shit like him not being OP enough or having connections with other characters.
Those people are retards. Archie Shadow, sans inhibitor rings, managed to actually hold back Knuckles-Enerjak - a feat that should have been literally impossible sans Super Form. It's Shadow's singular best feat in ANY media.

And people who think Shadow should just be worse Vegeta are cancer and should always be ignored.

>>137100626
That's true. He fucks up hardest when he tries to create a pet character to keep the heroes in line -- Max, Locke, Geoffrey, etc. They all come across as absurdly unlikeable and controlling.

Penders' father must've been a real POS to fuck his son up this badly.

>>137100686
>Archie Shadow, sans inhibitor rings, managed to actually hold back Knuckles-Enerjak - a feat that should have been literally impossible sans Super Form.
But Anon, Shadow needs to be able to beat Gods without bruising a pinkie-toe.

Seriously, I once saw Shadowspammer complaining about how Archie Shadow didn't defeat FAUST. That motherfucker thinks that Shadow, sans super-form, should be able to defeat a LITERAL FUCKING GOD who can nullify his Chaos powers. I hadn't really taken Shadowspammer seriously before that, but I'd never realized just how insane he was until that moment.

>And people who think Shadow should just be worse Vegeta are cancer and should always be ignored.
Exactly what those retards see in Vegetadow is beyond me. Who cares about a bunch of stale Shonen Rival cliches from 30 years ago?

>>137088011
What did they mean by this?

>>137098095
I though the sprites looked custom, great work on those!
>>137098536
>Most of his fans are gay
We prefer the term 'twink enthusiast' you bigot!
>>137098747
Silver and Blaze with an age gap reminds me too much of that comic where she was a literal cradle snatcher
>>137099544
Oh yeah, I remember this one. It's very comfy
>>137099794
>better Thunderclaw
That's not saying much!
>>137100505
Remington, Wynmacher and Elias are all normal guys regularly interacting with superpowered individuals. The fact that they still try to do the right thing and generally do a good job of it. They're much more relatable than a council of secret grandpas that could've ended the war with Robotnik at any time but chose not to since they were too busy huffing each others' farts

>>137100816
>Penders' father must've been a real POS to fuck his son up this badly.
All narcissists ruin their children, it's a simple fact. Most often, it results in said broken children becoming narcissists themselves.

>But Anon, Shadow needs to be able to beat Gods without bruising a pinkie-toe.
It's funny how they claim this, when canonically, Knuckles-Enerjak is stronger than damn near every God in the franchise combined. It was HIS power that raised Mogul to the level of Master Mogul by enabling him to absorb the entire Chaos Force and become a multiverse-crushing God after all, and that same Mogul at a (presumably) weaker state created the Ixis Masterworks, one of which is fucking SOLARIS. Enerjak is unironically one of, if not THE most powerful villain(s) in the franchise and the fact Shadow could hold him back without a Super form for any length of time speaks volumes.

>Seriously, I once saw Shadowspammer complaining about how Archie Shadow didn't defeat FAUST. That motherfucker thinks that Shadow, sans super-form, should be able to defeat a LITERAL FUCKING GOD who can nullify his Chaos powers. I hadn't really taken Shadowspammer seriously before that, but I'd never realized just how insane he was until that moment.
Yeah, that's fucking stupid. Faust hard-counters Chaos powers, even without factoring in that he's a deity and well beyond anything that isn't a Super form.

>>137100821
Nicole has birthing hips and it looks like Mina has tig ol bitties on the cover. Julie-Su has man hips.

>>137100686
>Archie Shadow, sans inhibitor rings, managed to actually hold back Knuckles-Enerjak - a feat that should have been literally impossible sans Super Form. It's Shadow's singular best feat in ANY media.
Even Silver bounced his attacks. Enerjak is part of Penders Echidna wank.

Feat wanking aside Gamedow is equal to Gamenic due to SEGA mandates and Sonic after Frontiers is definitely the strongest he's ever been in the franchise due to the fact that he keeps growing after ever new game.

I think this video happens to be educational, once you have dig up all the other things that it is beforehand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyByTJ6nk9Q

>>137100957
>Knuckles-Enerjak is stronger than Solaris because [NON-CANON FEATURES]
Chaos Force is strictly an Archie concept and the games have no set equivalent to it. Saying Solaris came from Ixis Masterworks is more Archie garbage considering that 06 never got a proper adaptation so we don't even know what Archie Mephiles, Iblis or Solaris is like to scale them to their canon counterparts.

>>137101010
Silver could explicitly do that solely because of his psychokinexis and ability to manipulate energy attacks - he outright says it himself even, that he couldn't beat Enerjak in a straight fight whatsoever and can only redirect his own power back at him. Had Dark Enerjak used literally any of the powers he'd inherited from Chaos Knuckles (free at-will time travel for one) or any of the ones Dimitri-Enerjak displayed (the ability to just disassemble and reassemble people's molecules at will, teleport anyone anywhere, freely displace things in reality, etc), Silver would have died without even knowing what was going on. Hell, even just doing what he literally did once before and blowing up the continent would have done it.

The thing with Enerjak is that he's obscenely ridiculously strong to the point even Super Forms aren't really a match for him, but everyone who has ever mantled his power has been a drooling retard.

>muh non-canon
Go away and go back to crying over Silver vs Trunks/Bayonetta, IDWkun. You've had this explained to you God knows how many times before.

>>137100881
>council of secret grandpas that could've ended the war with Robotnik at any time but chose not to since they were too busy huffing each others' farts
And then Eggman comes along and wrecks the whole fucking island, with Finitevus and Thrash (two more of the Echidnas' failures) coming in to sweep up the leftovers. Sweet, sweet poetic justice.

>>137100957
Yeah, the God characters in Sonic are Gods with a capital "G." They all have reality-warping powers to some degree, not to mention enough magical and Chaos-power to pretty much charbroil whoever they please at a whim.

Standing up to one of them without a Super-form isn't even something that should be possible, and Archie Shadow pulled it off.

>>137101010
>Even Silver bounced his attacks. Enerjak is part of Penders Echidna wank.
That was weird, I don't know why they had Silver be that OP. Previous versions of Enerjak could vaporize people by looking at them and warp reality itself. I put that one up to Silverwank more than Echidna wank.

>>137101105
Not to mention that Enerjak had to be nerfed by Ian. If Locke hadn't sacrificed himself to free Knuckles, Super Sonic would've been teleported to the sun and die when his power ran out. Enerjak's weakness is that Knuckles isn't very smart.

>>137101144
>That was weird, I don't know why they had Silver be that OP. Previous versions of Enerjak could vaporize people by looking at them and warp reality itself. I put that one up to Silverwank more than Echidna wank.
It was also an older and alternate universe Enerjak. You could reason that he was weakened due to age or simply a weaker version.

>>137101147
Enerjak's weakness is that NOBODY who becomes its vessel is very smart. Even Dimitri fell straight into the "hah, I'm so powerful I don't even need to take anyone seriously" trap which is why shit kept going wrong for him when he was Enerjak. Even then, it was made very clear that he could have killed Sonic at his leisure by just not bothering to reassemble him when he broke him apart into discrete particles and only didn't because he wanted to gloat.

I think the only guy who ever used that power intelligently without the critical failings of Dimitri and Knuckles was Mogul. And I wouldn't count him because Mogul had a LOT going just right to gain that power and specifically needed Chaos Knuckles being a dumbass and all but handing it to him on a silver platter.

>>137101144
>And then Eggman comes along and wrecks the whole fucking island, with Finitevus and Thrash (two more of the Echidnas' failures) coming in to sweep up the leftovers. Sweet, sweet poetic justice.
Maybe there's something to be said about forming alliances instead of running Mobius' most high-tech retirement home.
>>137101144
>Yeah, the God characters in Sonic are Gods with a capital "G."
I have to disagree with that. They may be powerful, but they're still (very) fallible. Chaos Knuckles and Enerjak could rearrange reality at will but lacked any sort of omniscience. My guess is they're limited to Mobian-level intelligence. Actually, even the Ancient Walkers were like this. There's no way they shouldn't have been able to anticipate and neutralize the attack that killed them.
>>137101222
This. They have all this power and absolutely no strategy. Frankly Snively would've been a more formidable threat with those powers

>>137101222
>beats enerjak
>is revealed to be ixis' master
>beats and embarrasses sonic multiple times
>wins by outliving everyone but it ultimately backfiring because the future is fucked
>beaten by tails' ass
Mogul is a weird villain. Wanked by multiple writers and losing to DESTINY!

>>137101345
Characters like Mogul are what happens when the status quo needs to be preserved

He's too powerful but he can't do any actual lasting damage to the important characters

>>137101322
The Ancient Walkers genuinely should have been able to just fix the damage Mogul had done to them with their absolute mastery of Chaos Energy, especially since the damage wasn't immediately fatal. I think they just wanted to pass on and leave others to guard the cosmos in their stead.

>>137100686
>It's Shadow's singular best feat in ANY media.
I'd say knocking out Super Sonic and the whole Chaos Regeneration thing in X scales above it due to how inconsistent Archie was with Enerjak.

>>137101322
>I have to disagree with that. They may be powerful, but they're still (very) fallible. Chaos Knuckles and Enerjak could rearrange reality at will but lacked any sort of omniscience. My guess is they're limited to Mobian-level intelligence. Actually, even the Ancient Walkers were like this. There's no way they shouldn't have been able to anticipate and neutralize the attack that killed them.
That's very true. I just meant in the sense that they're reality-warpers.

>>137101467
Are they? I can't seem to recall any of the Enerjaks reality warping anything. Chaos Knuckles could timetravel but he explicitly couldn't just change things in the here and now. Only ones that did that were Titan Tails and maybe Mogul.
>>137101448
Shadow never knocked out Super Sonic, the fuck?

>>137101553
>I can't seem to recall any of the Enerjaks reality warping anything.
Dimitri-Enerjak could just casually break people down into their disparate molecules without any visible effort, which is a form of reality-warping in the sense that it was total saturation of matter with no actual catalyst. It's implied he could have done more, but again, Dimitri (and Knuckles) are retards.

Chaos Knuckles also could have affected the present in a roundabout way - alter the past enough and then the present would be changed to fit the new events. He just didn't because Dimitri kept telling him to stop before the new past became set.

>>137101553
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ubB54TNP5vE

>>137100881
I love how the Guardians in universe had a ninja clan, from the other side of Mobius, felt the need to send an agent to watch & READY TO KILL THEM just in case they veer too far. Like, it's amazing Knuckles turned out the way he did.

https://www.deviantart.com/dolltwins/art/Princess-Sally-Acorn-36335072

>>137101623
you didn't watch the episode, he wasn't knocked out by that. That was just Shadow punching Sonic a distance away so that he could sacrifice himself before Sonic could stop him.

>>137101656
That's still a feat arguably above Archie Shadow considering damaging Super Sonic like that is a blue moon feat.

Even if he held back Enerjak, he still jobbed at the end of the day but Xdow accomplished his goal.

>>137101607
Knuckles also replaced the echidnas’ implants with their natural body parts. He was about to do the same to Julie-Su before Sonic stopped him.

>>137101411
The Ancient Walkers talked a big game about being "big G" gods, but I'd barely consider them tutelary spirits of the Chaos Realm. If they truly had absolute mastery of Chaos Energy, they would've stopped (every) Enerjak, Chaos Knuckles, and Mogul before they ever became a threat. It's not like they were locked in a battle with some dark chaos deities or were otherwise distracted
>>137101467
We never actually see the Ancient Walkers do anything like that, although Enerjak and Chaos Knuckles do some minor reality warping
>>137101607
Chaos Knuckles was more powerful than Enerjak, but was still learning to use his powers. With enough practice he would've been able to do large-scale reality warping
>>137101633
And yet the council of secret grandpas is always shown to be in the right!

>>137101972
"reality warping" gets thrown around too much. Chaos Knuckles could timetravel. He reset the current world through altering the past, yes, but he couldn't just snap his fingers and say "the present is now I now think it is" the way reality-warpers typically do in DC/Marvel. That's the whole reason he had to timetravel to help the Dark Legion in the first place.

>>137101972
The Ancient Walkers were generally non-interventionist in almost everything. According to Aurora, they inhabited the deepest layers of the Chaos Force but its never established what they DO there. They only ever tended to act subtly or only when all existence itself was threatened by an ascendant Master Mogul. Otherwise, they didn't do shit.

>We never actually see the Ancient Walkers do anything like that
One of their most definitive scenes was appearing at the edge of the universe to talk to Knuckles and Tails IIRC.

>>137102049
Yeah, he's only got minor reality warping powers, but if he had enough time to learn how to use them properly, he'd be able to do pretty much anything. That said, it'd never happen since the status quo is more powerful
>>137102155
>its never established what they DO there.
See that's the sort of thing than needed to be explained. Even non-interventionists would need a good reason to let reality-ending threats just walk around
>One of their most definitive scenes was appearing at the edge of the universe to talk to Knuckles and Tails IIRC.
Yeah, they were good for stuff like that

https://www.deviantart.com/sonicboomnextgen/art/What-s-next-840755578

>>137102049
Given what Mogul could do with Chaos Knuckles' power, literally absorbing the entire Chaos Force and crushing universes/multiverses, it's probably less that he COULDN'T do those things and more that he simply didn't have enough time to learn.

>>137097307
It didn't start like this, but I see Papier has now set himself to make Sonic a transman in this AU.

>A challenge approaches.

>It's late. Like really late. Basically, the boys stayed out late, without permission, and are trying to sneak back in the house. Maddie is awake and in the kitchen. Tom is awake in their bedroom looking for them and calling their names.

>Do you help them sneak inside or let whatever happens, happen?

>>137102505
That or Sally got too rough with those energy blades! It does seem to be a popular trend. Personally, I think andromorph is the superior option!

>>137102458
Mogul didn't do that with Knuckles' power. He did it because in a one-of-a-kind circumstance Knuckles coming back to life had thrown the chaos force into disarray (the reason Knuckles lost all his powers after resurrecting) and allowed Mogul's force-ghost to absorb it all and reincarnate. It wasn't chaos knuckles that did that, he lost that all when chaos knuckles killed him.

>>137102817
>Mogul didn't do that with Knuckles' power.
Mogul very explicitly needed to absorb Chaos Knuckles' powers in order to take advantage of the imbalance from Knuckles coming back to life later. He wouldn't have been able to hijack the imbalance and absorb the entire Chaos Force if he didn't absorb Chaos Knuckles' power beforehand.

>>137102858
It went like this
>Mogul fights Chaos Knuckles, absorbs his powers
>Chaos Knuckles defeats Mogul anyway just because, kills Mogul, Mogul and Knuckles are now both dead and lying in the Chaos Force with all the other dead echidnas
>Aurora makes Knuckles one witht he chaos force as his job, but Knuckles sees the fight with the Xorda and begs Aurora to reincarnate him
>Aurora reincarnates Knuckles with all his chaos knuckles powers back in him (141 reveals they were just dormant and he had to tap into them again), not in Mogul
>Knuckles being reincarnated causes the Chaos Force to go on the fritz
>only because of that is Mogul's force ghost able to absorb it
Knuckles had all his chaos knuckles powers back in him, Mogul no longer did. Neither chaos knuckles nor Mogul would ever be able to absorb it except in the one-of-a-kind circumstances cause by the resurrection. It wasn't because Mogul had Knuckles' powers, he literally didn't at that time, it's because the chaos force was weakened.

https://www.deviantart.com/amoretoylover/art/Waiteeeer-795914775
The boys...

>>137102950
Anon, you're remembering wrong. Mogul fought Chaos Knuckles after absorbing the power of Turbo Tails, whose power he added on top of the stuff he stole from Dimitri. He then lured Knuckles in with a dying Dimitri as a hostage and had hi step into his Chaos Syphon Chamber, which Knuckles overloaded and destroyed in #117 and #118, seemingly killing both of them. But this only resulted in Knuckles' temporarily dying, but with Mogul having absorbed literally all of his power.

After Knuckles returned to life to help in the battle against the Xorda sans his powers, THAT'S when Mogul utilized the imbalance and absorbed the Chaos Force via Chaos Knuckles' powers, becoming Master Mogul again, with everyone uniting to try and stop him - which is where the Ancient Walkers were fatally wounded by him. This is what directly leads into the events of #149.

Mogul was alive the entire time post-Chaos Syphon explosion, and that's the reason why Knuckles wasn't able to tap into his former Chaos Knuckles powers when he revived. Mogul literally stole them.

>>137102950
>>137103214
Also, whilst it's stated in 141 that his chaos powers were reawakened from inside him, the form he assumed was Hyper Knuckles via the Master Emerald boosting him. His Chaos Knuckles state explicitly does not return because Mogul scampered off like a bandit with all of that power.

>>137103214
>Mogul was alive the entire time post-Chaos Syphon explosion
He literally, LITERALLY wasn’t. You cannot post a single scan of him still alive after the explosion, because he was dead just like Knuckles was. Zonic himself says he was dead and a spirit in the chaos force. Mogul didn’t use Chaos Knuckles’ powers to absorb the chaos force and did not still have chaos knuckles’ powers, this is also not said anywhere in the entire comic and is something you made up, he did it because he was a ghost in there when it got weakened.

>>137103408
Anon, post a single page stating that Mogul was dead when the Syphon exploded. Because that's literally never stated even once in the entire comic run.

>>137103408
>>137103519
Literally the page stating that Mogul completely absorbed Knuckles' power, from the mouth of Zonic himself. Zonic also outright clarifies that ONLY Knuckles died because of this - Mogul was totally fine, better than fine even since that power let him take advantage of the imbalance as lance and become a God.

>>137103519
>Mogul was one with the chaos force, a dead ghost just like dead Knuckles was
>this is what allowed him to take over, not Chaos Knuckles' powers
>141 says out loud that Knuckles had all of his chaos powers still in him the entire time after ressurection, that they were only dormant
I'm still waiting for you to post a page saying Mogul still had Chaos Knuckles' powers after death. Which you don't have, since you made it up with zero source.

>>137103541
Anon are you an idiot?
>Zonic equates Knuckles' death with being one with the chaos force
>says immediately afterwards that Mogul was also one with the chaos force just like Knuckles was
>ala, Dead just like Knuckles was

>>137103583
>>137103602
>Mogul was one with the chaos force, a dead ghost just like dead Knuckles was
You do not need to be dead to be one with the Chaos Force. The Ancient Walkers are repeatedly described in the exact same way, and they are very much alive.

>this is what allowed him to take over, not Chaos Knuckles' powers
Zonic would not have clarified that Mogul absorbed the totality of Chaos Knuckles' power if this did not have a direct effect on him hijacking the Chaos Force.

>141 says out loud that Knuckles had all of his chaos powers still in him the entire time after ressurection, that they were only dormant
See >>137103272 and re-read the page you just posted. His Chaos Knuckles form and all of its power is GONE. Even if he could still manipulate chaos energy, his Hyper Knuckles form via the Master Emerald =/= Chaos Knuckles.

>>137103541
>Zonic also outright clarifies that ONLY Knuckles died because of this
Yeah I'm not seeing that. He's saying he ended up just like Knuckles did.

>>137103583
>>137103602
Where on that page does it say that Mogul was killed?

>b-but he was one with the chaos force!
Retards, both the Ancient Walkers AND Aurora (she and Dimitri were both allowed entrance into the Chaos Force whilst still alive) were "one with the Chaos Force" without having to die first. This means nothing unless it specifically said that both Knuckles AND Mogul were killed, which it does not.

>>137103657
>Yeah I'm not seeing that.
>"The explosion killed Knuckles"
This could not be more clear.

>>137103583
>>137103602
>>137103657
>>137103705
To wit, the first Enerjak ( as in, the very first that we know of - the one from ancient Albion) was brought into the Chaos Force alongside Aurora by the Ancient Walkers. They both transcended whilst still alive. There is absolutely nothing stating that you need to die to enter the Chaos Force.

>>137103649
>His Chaos Knuckles form and all of its power is GONE
It's not, he just chose to go Hyper instead of becoming Chaos Knuckles. The 2nd time Knuckles used the Master Emerald he chooses to turn into Chaos Knuckles before Finitevus changes him into Enerjak instead. Mogul didn't still have his powers, Knuckles had his own powers still dormant.
Zonic mentions the emerald as a linear explanation of the explosion that killed Knuckles.
"Knuckles blasted Mogul with his powers, Mogul absorbed it into a chaos emerald, this caused an explosion that killed Knuckles, Mogul was also in the same state as Knuckles after the explosion"

While I don't mind this conversation taking place, at least please make the effort to not throw insult at each other for disagreeing on plot point the witters certainly didn't put as much thought into as you are doing right now.

>n-n-no you don't understand! My master Iizuka-sama would never allow this in his nu-"canon" created from retcons and bad games!
lol
lmao

Does it really matter?
Whether or not we assume Mogul had or didn't have Knuckles' powers after the chaos syphon whatever, he couldn't absorb the chaos force except in an entirely unique and unrepeatable circumstance,
which means Chaos Knuckles also can't do any of the shit Mogul did no matte how hard he tries, and whether or not we assume Mogul absorbed him or whatever.

>>137103843
who are you replying to?

>>137103802
>It's not, he just chose to go Hyper instead of becoming Chaos Knuckles.
That's not what #141 states. It only says that his Chaos powers were dormant post-resurrection.

>The 2nd time Knuckles used the Master Emerald he chooses to turn into Chaos Knuckles before Finitevus changes him into Enerjak instead.
That was because of Finitevus' hex.

>Mogul didn't still have his powers, Knuckles had his own powers still dormant.
Except for the fact that Mogul absorbed sll of Chaos Knuckles' powers. Whether or not that means they were permanently gone or not is irrelevant.

>Zonic mentions the emerald as a linear explanation of the explosion that killed Knuckles.
Yes, and said explosion explicitly only killed Knuckles. At best, it yeeted Mogul into the Chaos Force but didn't kill him. I'm not sure what you're not getting here.

I’m curious. Who was the writer for all of this? I’m sure they could clear things up.

>>137103860
Chaos Knuckles is the exact same as Knuckles-Enerjak, as shown when Finitevus' hex briefly causes him to assume the former state before becoming the latter. The 1st Enerjak having become one with the Chaos Force in the exact manner as the Ancient Walkers and Aurora, and Master Mogul basically pulling a repeat of the same thing.

The point being made is that this is all shit that Enerjak should logically be able to do, but doesn't because its vessels are retarded.

>>137088762
https://twitter.com/Fliviartoon/status/1654529357354762258

https://twitter.com/LeeMajdoub/status/1650553202008547334
It's the actor who play Agent Stone, btw.

>>137103941
I remember when people thought the ghost was Nicole. Then they thought it was going to be Amy and she was going to be a constant companion. Then they thought Sage was some gender swap of Infinite.

>>137103887
Finitevus’ hex tyrned him into enerjak, it didn’t give him the power to go Chaos Knuckles again. That was all still in Knuckles
You’ve still yet to show it was Knuckles’ powers (that he didn’t have anymore, Knuckles still had them) that let him drain the cf, and not the fact Mogul was a ghost in the cf as is what is stated.

Just going to point out that a clone of Turbo Tails was stated by both Athair and Merlin Prower to be stronger than both Super Sonic and Hyper Knuckles, and Chaos Knuckles easily beat the shit out of said clone in issue 97. So even if the claims being made are trying to say that the Hyper Knuckles in 141 is synonymous with Chaos Knuckles, not only is that not true, but Hyper Knuckles is explicitly weaker than a form that is weaker than Chaos Knuckles. They are not the same.

>>137103934
Master Mogul absorbed all the chaos force, aurora only “became one” with it. Neither Aurora nor Enerjak were anywhere near as powerful as Mogul was, she couldn’t even save the Ancient Walkers after Mogul annihilated them.

>>137103802
That page you posted is referring to his Chaos Knuckles form, as shown immediately afterwards when Knuckles briefly becomes it before becoming Enerjak. The form in 141 is Hyper Knuckles.

>>137104001
The real Turbo Tails was stronger than hyper knuckles, and possibly Chaos Knuckles. Not the clone. This fact was brought up to reveal that the clone wasn’t the real deal: because it was a shoddy mimic that mogul had made that wasn’t as strong as the real Turbo Tails who Mogul had kidnapped and was feeding-off.

>>137104029
Mogul's attack was not immediately fatal - it only resulted in the Ancient Walker's slowly diminishing until they finally died. The fact Mogul couldn't instantly kill them shows that he wasn't THAT far above them.

Enerjak himself was a threat to both Aurora and the Walkers, and unlike Mogul, couldn't just be depowered but had to be ripped apart and strewn across the entire Chaos Force at once.

>>137104037
Yeah, and as seen there Knuckles can still turn into Chaos Knuckles. Mogul didn’t take that power from him, it was still inside him.

>>137104085
The fact Aurora canmt do anything to reverse the damage Mogul did shows he’s clearly well above her and the walkers.
And enerjak WAS depowered. Twice.

>>137104135
>And enerjak WAS depowered
Based Magic-Absorbers solo archieverse

>>137104068
No, it was explicitly the clone who was that strong. They outright say as much in that exact story.

>>137104211
Anon…jesus christ get some learning comprehension.
They thought that was the REAL turbo tails. Mogul had duped them.
That last panel is Athair realising it’s a clone and going “no wonder he lost when he should have won, this isn’t the real Tails it’s just a clone!”

>>137104237
Anon, you were claiming that the clone was "possibly stronger than Chaos Knuckles" when that's not fucking said anywhere. Stop making up bullshit instead of citing the pages as written. Neither Athair nor Merlin even hold out much hope for Turbo Taisl even if he HAD fought, they were just wondering why he wasn't fighting back which led them to discovering the fact he was a clone.

Chaos Knuckles is repeatedly said to be the strongest Chaos Energy user in existence at that point in time. It would make no sense for Turbo Tails to be stronger than him.

>>137104088
Because he only drained the power from Knuckles at the time - he didn't drain the ability to regain the form from him forever. This is like arguing that because Dark Gaia can drain the power of the emeralds, it can permanently steal Sonic's Super form from him. Or because the Titans run off of the emeralds, they can just take all of Super Sonic's powers forever. That was never the fucking argument.

>>137104135
The 1st Enerjak wasn't depowered, he was torn apart and scattered into the Chaos Force >>137103799. All other versions of Enerjak are tapping into his 'ambient spirit' to do the things they do. Only Dimitri and Knuckles-Enerjak got depowered.

>>137104293
Athair says he didn’t anticipate the real Turbo Tails could have lost in that fight. They were wondering why he was so much weaker than the real one is and scanned him to find out why, which is how they found out it was a massively underpowered clone. We’ve literally never seen how a fight between chaos knuckles and the real turbo tails would go, because they’ve never fought. Chaos Knuckles only fought a massively less powerful imitation made by a depowered mogul so he could absorb from the real deal https://imgur.io/a/Q6nmtba

What the fuck

>>137104211
>No, it was explicitly the clone who was that strong. They outright say as much in that exact story
Powerlevelzfags are retarded jesus christ. They find out it’s a shoddy fake because they’re amazed it underperformed so badly

>>137103820
I've been trying to discuss this as civilly as possible. But the other anon clearly hasn't either read the comic properly as he keeps claiming shit happened that directly contradicts the written pages or is just nonsense, like claiming Hyper Knuckles and Chaos Knuckles are the same character.

>>137104203
Cell, Parasite and the Dragonmaids roflstomp Enerjak

>>137104375
Power level discussion. You'll get one of those from time to time.

you might thought you will always be above that sort of consideration, up until an argument touch a character that you particularly care about and then you caught yourself being full deep into it and fishing out one small comic extract that prove you right because of a well placed coma

>>137104352
Torn apart by the Ancient Walkers, who Mogul btfo

>>137104203
Shame that means Archieverse solos every other Sanic timeline combined.
>>137104433
>Cell
Too slow

>>137104366
We can estimate how strong Turbo Tails is from the fact that a Mogul juiced on his power could actually square up with Chaos Knuckles >>137103541.

>>137104474
Not even then. Mogul directly after Turbo was freed got beat up by regular Sonic and the clone Tails in base. Absorbing Turbo was only enough to get him up to fighting health

>>137104375
Power level talk. Occasionally happens.

>>137104445
I'm 99% certain the guy claiming Mogul never absorbed Chaos Knuckles' power is IDWkun by the way. He's sperging in the Death Battle thread and spamming images as well as various /dbs/-tier posts. He's still seething over Silver vs Trunks and they used Enerjak and Super form scaling to give Silver the win there. Make of that what you will.

>>137104499
That wasn't the real Mogul, it was an illusion created by the real one still trapped in an emerald/immaterial. It couldn't exist without constantly draining from Turbo Tsils, and it needed to maintain concentration to keep that up.

Under the exact same logic for the clone Turbo Tails being weaker than the resl deal, clone Mogul is not reflective of the real Mogul.

>>137104471
Not after the echnigga gets succed he won’t be

>>137104499
>>137104547
And if we really want to be talking about this, then the Data File written by Penders two issues before the one by Bollers clarifying that Mogul replaced Tails posits that Mogul replaced Tails as far back as issue 56, which was Turbo Tails' very first as appearance literal years ago where he fought and actually harmed Master Mogul, something that even Super Sonic and Hyper Knuckles couldn't do.

But that's Penders' bullshit and would mean the real Tails was gone for damn near seventy issues, so I wouldn't factor that in unless you really, REALLY want to point out that we have no basis for how strong Turbo Tails reliably is.

>>137102505
yeah I don't see how that remotely fits or suits Sonic character in any way, it just seems forced.

>>137104631
I have seen enough genderbent Sonic character fanart and AUs for this to not make me rise an eyebrow. At least he identify as male in this one. You can't say the same of all AUs.

>>137104629
I recall Mogul saying he switched out Tails when Athair teleported him away for the fight. I think that was issue 94?
Regardless scaling is stupid for every verse archie included.

>>137103541
>the most powerful Chaos entity in your Zone
>people unironically think Chaos Knuckles wasn't the reason for Master Mogul being as strong as he was, rather than merely absorbing the Chaos Force alone
The Ancient Walkers were literally one with it and even they weren't comparable to Chaos Knuckles at his height going by the narrative.

Also, the Walker's weren't killed by Mogul. He wounded them and that caused them to increasingly diminish, but Elias could have healed them perfectly using the Crown of Acorns had it not been for the Arachne Clan opening an interidmensional breach using the Sword of Acorns, which is what actually killed them. Said Sword of Acorns could drain even Enerjak of his power, presumably due to having been forged from the Source Of All.

>>137104734
Mogul does in fact say that. Penders said something else though, as his retarded ass was want to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vI5M9GRCKo
You can never go wrong with a Jehtt dub of Shadow the Hedgehog game.

>>137103966
Cute.

>>137104734
Scaling isn't that bad if there's a clear line from X to Z regarding who scales to who and why. The problem with Archie is that it's a clusterfuck of messy powerlevels at its highest tiers and whilst everyone can be said to scale to everyone else, you're often going to have to parse all the exact messed up relationships yourself. It gets especially bad when you need to divorce certain character views - like the echidnas belief of Aurora being the supreme god of all reality - from the reality (Aurora is just a glorified secretary to the Ancient Walkers).

Going from what we know, the general tiers are something like Titan Tails, then Master Mogul + Chaos Force/Chaos Knuckles/Enerjak powers & MAYBE Enerjak himself, then the Ancient Walkers, then Turbo Tails, then everything else. It seems simply on the surface, but there's so much bullshit in Archie that outside of Titan Tails, Mogul, and Enerjak, you can swap any of the rest around as you want.

>>137105080
>Scaling isn't that bad if there's a clear line from X to Z regarding who scales to who and why. The problem with Archie is that it's a clusterfuck of messy powerlevels at its highest tiers and whilst everyone can be said to scale to everyone else, you're often going to have to parse all the exact messed up relationships yourself
Something most powerlevel discussion tned to forget is the notion of "prevalence of the fittest" in which circumstances can be a big key factor also determine who win what fight more than any inner raw power. Not to mention the Rock-Paper-Cisor dynamic.

>>137105134
That too. There are a lot of moments in Archie where a character who should have been objectively been more powerful than their opposition loses to them because of certain circumstances. The entire thing with Dimitri getting depowered by Mogul is a massive example of this. Same for Super Sonic managing to hold out against Knuckles-Enerjak until Locke could counter Finitevus' hex - which Ian confirmed was the ONLY reason why Super Sonic could win that. Ian also said that outside of really exceptional circumstances or his power being used against himself, Enerjak is basically unstoppable.

So yeah, Archie simultaneously has clear scaling chains but also a lot of stuff is context-specific.

>>137088011
Sonic Desolation Issue 2 Page 4
https://sonicdesolation.tumblr.com/
https://youtu.be/-mYzw7tO9co

>>137104986
Maria, never call your little brother "Chadow" again.

>>137105542
I had missed that part.
Based.

>>137105506
If it's taking ten minutes to fire, then it's probably because Eggman fucked up somewhere.

>>137105506
>Eggman

>>137104667
not even genderbent, I mean specifically trans stuff, it rarely ever suits or feels in character when a fan tries to do that with any fandom.

>>137105506
>>137105749
I'm sure this plan will work.

>>137105940
Being trans is more of an attribute than a characterisation, though. It's no more forced than "AU where every Sonic characters is a truck"

>>137106166
So it's both forced AND autistic? Seems apt enough.

>>137106166
If you think about it, Sonic used to have tits and we never get to see them. I feel cheated.

>>137102505
Honestly I wouldn't care much but the always visible surgery scars are an odd thing to have

>>137106184
No, it would only be autistic if every characters were a train.

>>137106283
topic aside I love that Cream face their.

>>137106397
Nah, I'm pretty sure it's autistic regardless. My evidence; the comic where Sonic is a giant.

>>137106283
Well, there is this >>137101071

>>137106283
https://inkbunny.net/s/1364100

That reminds me, I have a couple genderbend Sonic comics. Neither of which are safe for this board.

>>137106627
oh what's the plot/genderbending?

>>137106659
I think one is about a person that changes genders and changes genders of others they get into contact with. And the other I think is about an emerald that changes genders of anyone that touches it. One is incredibly NSFW but has a censored version and the other has been slowly releasing pages while the entire thing is on patreon.

>>137106715
huh...well it is what it is I guess, we've had all sorts of stuff posted and safer things get deleted as I can attest.

https://www.deviantart.com/cerberustheterrible/art/Sonally-Colored-732647869

>>137106592
AAAAIEEEEE

>>137106808
They're so cute.

>>137106283

>>137106904
Cursed.

Let's Pokemon Go to the Sonamy mines! After the first story.
>>137107112