>>134523184
Oh, hey, you read my mind! I had found this neat artist and its chockful amount of cool drawings a little while ago, and despite really enjoying it, I held back on spilling it public. Was afraid maybe you wouldn't like it or such. Since you and the other sweet thirst bud felt enamored with it, I couldn't be anymore happy if you really do storytime it all.

Unless otherwise, I can be on charge to story it all for you! Either outcome is all swell for me. In any case, worthy to note he has got Twitter plus Youtube accounts:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNx3Uligh-uJ_8cOno0Dzmw
https://twitter.com/Artboy3Caleb/media
https://twitter.com/CalebRo96255774/media (he abandoned this one, allegedly for losing access with it)

Just for a sample, have this recent funny comic made by the same artist, stitched together by yours truly, though I'm sure few here has seen me repost it before. Going by my suspicious, he's a thorough and done Rotor simp, which is beyond based mind you.

>>134524480
Still, it's a huge compassionate endeavor in your part to do it for the Konductor, big bro. On a unrelated note, how did you do it anyway? I assume you had to input "$ convert +append 1-5 6-10" or something alike?

>>134526946
>And there is no enabling to being trans, the whole medical community and neuroscience are agreeing that transitioning is a valid treatment.
Kill yourself right fucking now

>>134527342
>I never said i had a problem with gay characters existing,
Then you ave no actual complain. Because there is nothing else the "movement" does.

>I'm no scientist but if you read my last post you'd know why the T part doesn't make sense to me,
Because ou are not a scientist nor have you actually studid the problem. until you can prove them wrong, don't try to demand to other to not receive treatments that have been proven to be helpful to them.

It's like you would be arguing to not give chemo to cancer patients.

>>134526205
It's a pleasure, Konducs! That said, I hope I'm not onloadidng too much work on your back. Like I said, I can story it all myself if you'd like.

>>134526238
Funnily enough, I initially did stitch them together 'cally, but then some folk on /v/ before told me it was confusing to read through. I transposed it 'tally afterwards and I was spoken it's much better that way. Have it back again as 'cal. Better? If you hadn't notice it yet, I loved the brothers Al and Cal duo.

>>134527035
>>134527287
>>134527375
>literally admits to being from there/on there enough to recognize posting styles
>thinks this obviously isn't a faggot from that place coming on over here
It's always funny how you retards will make it so obvious, then immediately look for ways to act like your bullshit doesn't stink the exact same wherever you go.

>but I haven't been there in years
Doesn't matter, you carry that same behavior literally everywhere you go. Stop coming into Sonic threads, derailing good discussion, then acting like a parasite when everyone rightfully tells you to go fuck yourself.

>>134527380
>Then you ave no actual complain. Because there is nothing else the "movement" does.
I'm glad we agree i don't hate gay people, but i still have to disagree of me being okay with the movement, your literally asserting you know my own opinions better than me.

>Because ou are not a scientist nor have you actually studid the problem. until you can prove them wrong, don't try to demand to other to not receive treatments that have been proven to be helpful to them.
>It's like you would be arguing to not give chemo to cancer patients.
I'm not demanding other's do anything people can do whatever they want with their own bodies as long as they aren't a minor or are in a heavily distressed state of mind where their judgement can't be trusted, i was explaining what i see as logical problem with the whole T issue, further more you haven't actually explained why you think my opinion is wrong and just keep appealing to authority without arguing against with my reasoning.

>>134527711
>Thing is, you are talking about a movement trying to defend groups of people who are frequently ostracised, and sometimes even subjected to violence and you are trying to justify your dislike of it with your gut feeling.
I'd be the first person to argue for people regardless of age, sex, religion, or sexual preference to be able to do whatever they want on their own as long as they aren't interfering with another's right to do the same but from a person who comes from a free society where it isn't illegal i don't really see the point of it's promotion.

>You don't want the public to b exposed to content that simply convey that there exist treatments that have been proven to be benefic to those who need it, because "you do'nt feel like it".
>With all due respect, anon, I think people being made aware of treatments that hare considered to be effective by the medical community trump over your personal feeling of discomfort.
I understand your view but i'd still have to disagree with it, why would I want something promoted I don't agree with and subscribe to because I have problems with it and doesn't think it makes sense.
and my dislike of the T part and it's promotion has more to do with me not thinking it makes sense as i explained earlier not me just disliking it.

>>134527711
Because mutilating ones perfectly healthy body is a good thing! You go groomer!
Lets ignore that most of the T are autistic in one way or another
Let's ignore that this treatment is being given to literal children who have no idea of the consequencesof their actions (hi jazz!)
Let's ignore that the science is so new and not understood that we have no idea of the long term implications of what will happen (but let's give them lupron anyway lol)
Let's all ignore that and watch what happens in 5 to 10+ years when those who have been destroyed by this movement come out in full force to sue the doctors and parents who backed this evil religious ideology.
But who cares right? Trans rights are human rights!

>>134527804
>I'd be the first person to argue for people regardless of age, sex, religion, or sexual preference to be able to do whatever they want on their own as long as they aren't interfering with another's right to do the same but from a person
then you have no concrete reason to dislike the "movement".
>but from a person who comes from a free society where it isn't illegal i don't really see the point of it's promotion.
It make as much point as a straight person existing in fiction, anon. There is no difference.

>why would I want something promoted I don't agree with
you are not asked to desire it, you are asked to not be against something that has been proven to be benefic to other, especially as it doesn't hurt you yourself.

>>134528565
>you are not asked to desire it, you are asked to not be against something that has been proven to be benefic to other, especially as it doesn't hurt you yourself.
But I don't believe it to be beneficial to others as i explained earlier, here lies our disagreement.
To repeat myself from earlier Furthermore it just doesn't make any sense logically to me, if the problem is neurological and psychological, and comes from a persons distorted sense of self or view of them self wouldn't it make the most sense to line up their self image to reality rather than making reality conform to their view.
And even if it doesn't hurt me I don't want others to be deceived into thinking it'll be beneficial to them, especially when i see shit like young "Trans" children or the promotion of puberty blockers, interfering with the normal human cycle of development.

>>134528710
>But I don't believe it to be beneficial
Again, when medical and scientific studies have showed that it is beneficial, you have to prove they are wrong first and only then is it okay to campaign against people receiving such treatment. Otherwise you are basically doing the same thing as anti-vaxxer.

>>134528736
>Again, when medical and scientific studies have showed that it is beneficial, you have to prove they are wrong first and only then is it okay to campaign against people receiving such treatment. Otherwise you are basically doing the same thing as anti-vaxxer.
I've heard this before but this doesn't convince me, you can insult me all you want and claim that since a person of authority believes something i should believe it to.
But what i'd prefer is for you to engage with my points and actually try to disprove them.
1.It doesn't make any sense logically to me, if the problem is neurological and psychological, and comes from a persons distorted sense of self or view of them self wouldn't it make the most sense to line up their self image to reality rather than making reality conform to their view. so i don't believes it helps people.
2."Gender-affirming care" such as puberty blockers, castration, and mastectomy interfere with the body's normal processes and homeostasis, i don't see how that can be helpful. not to mention the experimental nature of the surgery.
3.the creator of modern gender theory, john money and his studies are heavily flawed not just because of the pedophilia.
4.This might sound a bit rude and hypocritical coming from me but i'd be more willing to consider your points if you directed me to informational scholarly articles on the topics instead of just saying they exist.
5.I don't like something i don't agree with and belive to be harmful being promoted especially when it can harm children, and if you want a example for why i think i'd suggest you go take a look at "Desomd is amazing".

>>134528892
yeah, tails literally complains about how inconsistent his character is in Frontiers.
lol

>>134527362
It needs a purple hugger to hug on and tight people here and let them ease off on his soft fuzzy tummy.

>>134528971
>I've heard this before but this doesn't convince me,
You don't need to be convinced, you need to prove the studies wrong. Until then you get no say in telling others what approved treatment they can take or not.
> what i'd prefer is for you to engage with my points and actually try to disprove them.
It's not to me to disprove anything, it's up to YOU to prove the medical and scientific studies wrong.

"How about you prove to me that Vaccines work" is not the way to go.

>>134528971
you know what I will address some of your points anyway.
>if the problem is neurological and psychological, and comes from a persons distorted sense of self or view of them
It's physiological and it's not distorted, what they perceive is how their brain actually is and it would work perfectly fine if their brain were put in the body with the genital they identify with. What you demand is identity death so that they can fit what YOU perceive their identity to be.
Brain scans have showed brain patient's pattern match the pattern of cis person of their identified gender.

>2."Gender-affirming care" such as puberty blockers, castration, and mastectomy interfere with the body's normal processes and homeostasis, i don't see how that can be helpful.
Puberty blocker can be stopped and the body resume their growth, it has been used for a decades, now and their effects are well known and understood. It is used because otherwise, puberty will cause irreversible change that will make transitioning more difficult and result in more suffering of the patient. Th blockers allow the patients to grow old enough to decide for themselves if they are ready to go with the other procedure and be sure it's a choice they can make on their on. From that point on, it's for them to decide what to do with their body.

>3.the creator of modern gender theory, john money
John money is not the creator of modern gender theory and is actually criticised by most of the trans community. what he did to the boy goes against everything the trans community stand for: he denied how his patient identified himself and tried to force him to a gender by basing himself of what his genital looked like.
If anything, What John money did proved one thing: if you try to brainwash a cis person in being trans, you will fail.

>>134528971
>>134529664
>consider your points if you directed me to informational scholarly articles
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/
http://www.phsa.ca/transcarebc/child-youth/affirmation-transition/medical-affirmation-transition/puberty-blockers-for-youth

>5.I don't like something i don't agree with and belive to be harmful being promoted
Again, once studies actually back something you don't agree with, not wanting it to be featured in fiction is like an antivaxxer not wanting vaccines to be featured in fiction.

>>134529691
The pendulum is swinging and it's only a matter of time before this all ends and no amount of lobbied studies will save you.

>>134529664
>Puberty blocker can be stopped and the body resume their growth
No It can't, stop spreading this lie.

>>134529664

>it's physiological and it's not distorted, what they perceive is how their brain actually is and it would work perfectly fine if their brain were put in the body with the genital they identify with. What you demand is identity death so that they can fit what YOU perceive their identity to be.
If a persons self image doesn't match up with the reality of their body isn't it inherently distorted?, furthermore even if they were born with GD the doesn't make it not neurological and doesn't mean brain swapping them into a body of the opposite sex would fix their problems, wouldn't entirely changing the body a person has make it worse?

not to mention you literally can't give a person the body of the opposite sex, it's impossible you'd have to change everything about their body, genetics, bone structure, genitalia, and organs sine those develop differently depending on the sex, all T surgery does is either is remove or attempt to reshape the patients sexual organs, which again is impossible, a dick isn't a womb.

>Puberty blocker can be stopped and the body resume their growth, it has been used for a decades, now and their effects are well known and understood. It is used because otherwise, puberty will cause irreversible change that will make transitioning more difficult and result in more suffering of the patient. Th blockers allow the patients to grow old enough to decide for themselves if they are ready to go with the other procedure and be sure it's a choice they can make on their on. From that point on, it's for them to decide what to do with their body.

A reduction in long-term spatial memory persists after discontinuation of peripubertal GnRH agonist treatment in sheep
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453016307922

and puberty is not and should not be a choice, it's a naturally bodily process you need to go through to mature.

>>134529852
>No It can't, stop spreading this lie.
All the effects are known and it's safr than many other prescribed drugs, anon
http://www.phsa.ca/transcarebc/child-youth/affirmation-transition/medical-affirmation-transition/puberty-blockers-for-youth

>>134529889
>f a persons self image doesn't match up with the reality
Their brain are real, anon. And their brain are effectively similar to cis people with the gender they identify with.

>A reduction in long-term spatial memory persists after discontinuation of peripubertal GnRH agonist treatment in sheep
It has been used on humans for decades, anon.

>and puberty is not and should not be a choice
Once again, medical studies say otherwise. Prove them wrong.

>>134529896
Tell that to all those over at r/detrans
Stop spreading lies.

>>134529664
>John money is not the creator of modern gender theory and is actually criticised by most of the trans community. what he did to the boy goes against everything the trans community stand for: he denied how his patient identified himself and tried to force him to a gender by basing himself of what his genital looked like.
If anything, What John money did proved one thing: if you try to brainwash a cis person in being trans, you will fail.

on this i'm glad we agree

>>134529691

What We Don’t Know: Does Gender Transition Improve the Lives of People with Gender Dysphoria?
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2019/04/51524/

Sex Reassignment Doesn’t Work. Here Is the Evidence.
https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

>Again, once studies actually back something you don't agree with, not wanting it to be featured in fiction is like an antivaxxer not wanting vaccines to be featured in fiction.
Would you like it if electro shock therapy or lobotomies were presented in a positive light as a healthy way to change your life for the better?
that where i'm coming from at least.

>>134529924

>Their brain are real, anon. And their brain are effectively similar to cis people with the gender they identify with.
i'm not saying they aren't, mind and body are one after all, but i don't see how changing a persons entire body like that would help, wouldn't replacing literally everything about your body except the brain be more harmful for the ego?

And once again this isn't what T surgery does, it just removes sexual characteristics or try to repurpose preexisting ones into roles they literally can't fill.

>It has been used on humans for decades, anon.
so were lobotomies, phlogstin theory, aether theory, radium, etc...
just because somethings used a lot doesn't make it right.

>Once again, medical studies say otherwise. Prove them wrong.
How about evolution huh?, humans are literally born, we evolved to sexually mature and reproduce as apart of our natural process.
You, I, and every other human are made, born to sexually mature/go through puberty at the ages we go through it.

>>134529949
>Tell that to all those over at r/detrans
You know transitioning is one of the condition with the lowest rate of misdiagnosis, right? and issue with detranstioning are not caused with hormonal blockers themselves.

>>134529964
Nathanael Blake:
Doctorate in political theory
Ryan T. Anderson:
Doctorate in political philosophy

I am sorry, but you'll need to give me atuall medical doctor or neuroscientist or at least some psychatrist to show me the current medcial knowledge is wrong. hat you gave me are opinion piece.

>Would you like it if electro shock therapy or lobotomies were presented in a positive light
lobotomies have been proven to be wrong, anon. And electrochock therapy is no longer applied the way you think:
https://www.uclahealth.org/hospitals/resnick/patient-care/electroconvulsive-therapy-ect

Again,, if you think it's harmful, prove that the medical community is wrong, until then you have no valid reason to ask for it to be removed from fictions.

134530361
It's clear you are an absolute charlatan
This cancer will fall, it's only a matter of time.

>>134530072
>but i don't see how changing a persons entire body like that would help
Male and female bodies have different endocrine system. If the brain expect a male hormonal feedback, but receive a female one instead, then the person will not feel he has the right body. the key treatment of transpeople are the hormonal prescription and it give the feedback their brain philosophically expect to have.

>but i don't see how changing a persons entire body like that would help
then prove the medical studies wrong, anon.

>so were lobotomies, phlogstin theory, aether theory, radium,
they have been proved to be harmful, anon. Do the same.

>How about evolution huh?, humans are literally born, we evolved to sexually mature and reproduce as apart of our natural process.
You, I, and every other human are made, born to sexually mature/go through puberty at the ages we go through it.
Evolution will go with whatever work even if it barely do. Evolution also allow Cancer to develop, that doesn't mean you should allow tumor to "naturally grow".


>>134530092
I have given nothing but facts.

>>134530430
>I have given nothing but facts
Doesn't matter if the brick wall is an absolute retard, liar or troll, most likely all three.

>>134530415
>It's clear you are an absolute charlatan
I am not the one relying to people with political doctorate to attempt to prove studies wrong.