Sonic #230, FCBD 2012, and Sonic #231-232 Genesis has passed and Sonic has reverted the world back to the way it was before. But he’s got no time to enjoy the minor victory! Mobius still needs saving and someone will make a sacrifice so great, it will shatter the Freedom Fighters! And Mobotropolis isn’t doing any better as it’s under attack by a massive robot of titanic power! Naugus better do something or he’ll be the king of a wasteland!
Question: Nothing ominous in asking this now but… what did you think of Sally when she was written by Ian Flynn?
>>141825150 >hi sal Awwwwwww! >>141825145 You came to a restaurant and placed an order for pain. Ian comes up and tells you that this is a buffet and that's all they have. Eat up.
>>141825117 Fuck this arc. Especially since it was just about to end before the comic was forced to reboot. All the suffering we're about to put up with was technically for nothing. FUCK.
>Question: Nothing ominous in asking this now but… what did you think of Sally when she was written by Ian Flynn? Quite frankly, I think she's great. She manages to be a lot of fun while maintaining the core conflict of life vs duty.
>>141825117 >Question: Nothing ominous in asking this now but… what did you think of Sally when she was written by Ian Flynn? Same as I thought of when watching Satam, she is a good character and has a top notch design, honestly the fact he managed to use her effectively after the preceding bullshit the character was dealt is impressive
>>141825297 I agree it'd look super out of place on classic but I dunno, Modern with normal eyes honestly looks uncanny for some reason, the red eyes oddly suit the design in my view
>>141825346 The people with robotic enhancements will also get blown apart. And everyone who hadn't been roboticized before will be roboticized, including all of the Overlanders and humans.
>>141825298 Somewhere, Finitevus is seething that Eggman basically ripped off his idea.
>>141825319 This is kinda where making Eggman into Ultra Hitler Supreme starts to become a problem. Like, how much more evil can you make this guy, honestly? Is he gonna start raping babies eventually?
>>141825452 Yeah, even without Penders I could see Sega starting to step in. Eggman was becoming to far evil at this point to tie in with their much less sinister game version.
>>141825422 >>141825517 Yeah at this point. Sally stops being an actual character until the shitty reboot comes by. That being said, thoughts on sally from the start to this point? I say that she's pretty neat and did not deserve that much suffering
>>141825493 Eggman’s having the best day of his life. He’s having a better time than when he killed his own Sonic. Beating up Sonic in #175 didn’t cause him to lose his spirit. Doing this did however.
Archie Eggman is a bastard but I think some of yous really underestimate that Game Eggman can be massive cunt. Attempting to nuke station square and fucking breaking the world apart with absoulte no care for the peoples well being
>>141825573 The game was fine, its the consequences of its success that bother me. This game is the reason Nack/Fang will never show up in the main timeline.
>>141825570 I'm just gonna a say having Sonic's birthday in one of the games makes me question the progression of time and the overall question of a frame of when each game takes place, I always think a year or few months depending which game
>>141825616 >>141825608 At first I thought they removed the ages for characters on the website because they planned to finally age up the characters but it's really just to have them forever be the same age.
>>141825641 I bought the game on Steam and enjoyed it enough until something happened and it wouldn't boot up for me anymore. Lost interest in revisiting it.
>>141825652 I don't believe in crap like that. It might be satisfactory for the reader to see a character grow from suffering, but the suffering doesn't have to be permanent for the growth to take place and continue.
>>141825579 This is why I think the people whining about Eggdad are out of their minds. If anything, Sage being around will only encourage him to pull worse bullshit. Gotta show off for his baby girl after all. And there's no real indication that Sage herself isn't also just as much of a monster, just because she's more pragmatic. Her IDW incarnation is going to be a fucking nightmare.
Bros I've just finished reading all this shit now I'm gonna finish it again with you guys this time around for a round two of pain, what is wrong with me.
>>141825661 Actually "Other time, other place" simply indicate a different point in time at a different geographic position. It doesn't forcibly means a different continuity.
>>141825584 Plus fucking with Shadow when he had no memory of who he was or making a machine that drains life and enslaving Whips while starting to colonize their planet
>>141825736 I'll be honest, I haven't read any of them. Don't exactly care. >>141825727 The reboot denied us a conclusion and the reunion of lovers as they meet again as just friends.
>>141825641 >Classic Sonic I HATE THIS WRETCHED LITTLE CUNT SO MUCH. I'm fucking sick of seeing him, and I hate that he's legit supposed to be a separate character. Fuck this fucking rat and the non-fans who blindly worship him.
>>141825685 >>141825686 You guys are giving conflicting answers, was the immunity removed and only Sally got the effects, or did it remain and Sally simply the only one there who never got roboticized before ?
>>141825767 >>141825755 Sonic will tell others later that they work again. Sally is the only one roboticized because the entire thing was centered on her.
>>141825668 Sonic and Eggman were deroboticized by the Bem. Sally wasn't, she was never immune. Ian's actually clarifying that old plot point. See, originally Sonic and Eggman didn't know the Bem changed everyone back. Everyone just assumed roboticization stopped working somehow when in fact it only stopped working on the people the Bem changed back, so Eggman could have kept using it on practically anyone on Mobius not from Mobotropolis.
>>141825793 >>141825774 >You guys are giving conflicting answers, was the immunity removed and only Sally got the effects, or did it remain and Sally simply the only one there who never got roboticized before ? Trust me. Sally is the only one roboticized because she took the thing herself. Anyone else can be roboticized now. Genesis was Eggman removing the immunity from the planet and everyone on it.
>>141825774 >You guys are giving conflicting answers see>>141825773 Sally was the only one affected because she reoriented all of the Roboticization process on her and only her. Otherwise the whole world would have been roboticized.
>>141825814 The Bem made Mobius and everyone immune from being roboticized. There was a trial that went over it and everything. Eggman caused Genesis to remove that. Anyone can be roboticized now. But only Sally got hit with the beam.
>>141825814 >>141825816 But the Death Egg got wrecked up as well, both Metal Sonics got destroyed because of it. Doesnt that mean everyone in the Death Egg got beamed during this ?
>>141825846 >Eggman caused Genesis to remove that. Anyone can be roboticized now. No Conductor, the immunity wasn't reset. The roboticizer hit the room, the robots blew, Eggman and Sonic were immune and Sally wasn't. There's an issue coming up that clarifies this.
Ian is right now telling readers not to worry about Ken's lawsuit. Surely Archie won't fuck this up. They definitely have the man's original contract to resolve everything in court.
>>141825919 I half agree with that other anon. Sally should've remained a robot... but they should've found a way to restore her personality and free will.
The arc starts dragging on after this moment. It peaked right here in this issue. The startup was fucking great, though, but it once again shows that Ian can't really write a long storyline before things start getting repetitive.
>>141825954 >The roboticizer hit the room, It didn', it simpy blew up. The effect of the roboticizer were redirected strictly to Sally's position via Nicole and nowhere else.
The roboticizer itself simply blew up.
Nobody is immune anymore because of the Genesis wave.
>>141825989 I find the court documents again but even though Archie fucked up, they still had the case in the bag. Basically, they had to tell the judge that Sega was the true owner of all the characters. So Sega was ordered to appear in court to confirm. Sega refused. And so the settlement took place instead.
>>141825954 >The roboticizer hit the room, It didn't, it simply blew up. The effect of the roboticizer were redirected strictly to Sally's position via Nicole and nowhere else.
The roboticizer itself simply blew up.
Nobody is immune anymore because of the Genesis wave.
>>141826034 I'm glad they did, but at the same time, Mania makes no sense anymore. So the Phantom Ruby stuff happened and than it went to the future and nobody remembered it and then it went back to the past (Mania's Encore Mode) where events happened again before being dealt with for good?
Should've just kept Mania specifically as an alternate dimension and kept the actual Classic games within the regular Modern timeline.
>>141825789 What? I know we gotta deal with mecha sally first but that should just take like 10 issues tops and then we can see Dr. Finis wild ride. Or maybe scourge and his gang
>>141826090 I'm just going to post a spoiler from an upcoming issue so we don't waste the whole thread arguing. The immunity was not reset. The roboticizer hit the whole room. Eggman and Sonic were immune, Sally was not. Eggman literally says it right here >>141825472 and again later.
>>141826198 Gee guys, I don't see Nicole doing any so called protecting... This Naugus fella makes more and more sense if you really think about it....
>>141826206 Its some dumb legal bullshit that technically had him in the right. But I do feel that had Sega just actually stepped in to help ARchie, this could have been avoided.
>>141825117 >Question: Nothing ominous in asking this now but… what did you think of Sally when she was written by Ian Flynn? She had some iffy moments, but that last batch of issues after Iron Dominion and before Mecha Sally were probably the best she's ever been written outside of SatAM, I like the Reboot but at that point I think she's just a completely different character so I don't feel like comparing the 2 >>141825422 This shit fucking hurts, reading all of preboot with you guys made me really get attached to these characters, oh god we've still got to do Unthinkable, jesus >>141825652 I don't think they should've done that in the main comic had it continued but i'm surprised that none of the fan continuations did it, unless you count rediscovered frontiers, maybe once we get the next issue of Sonic Retold that'll be the cherry in the cake of suffering from that comic
>>141826135 Yeah the joint plot of Mania and Forces makes no sense, but then again it never did. The ruby's powers change between games regardless. Just assume everyone in Mania had their memories erased by it somehow. Makes about as much sense as Classic Sonic, Tails and Eggman forgetting everything they saw in Generations.
>>141826278 His magic bullshit is actively preventing it from being repaired, and things got so fucked partly because his bullshit coup distracted everybody.
Do you guys not get the immunity thing? Not even the conductor got it right, so here's the autistic rundown if you still didn't get it.
The bem made it so that anybody who was turned into a robot have an immunity to it, not everyone. That's why characters like Sonic, Tails, Robotnik, Snively, Uncle Chuck, Bernie, Lupe, etc. were changed. Bunnie and Jules weren't reverted because of their special circumstances. Robotnik was banking that resetting the world would get rid of that immunity.
Sally made Nicole redirect the roboticizer so that it would affect the same room as the roboticizer, not the entire Death Egg. That's why it affected everyone and blew up the Metals because anything already metallic blows up when put in a roboticizer. Sally was turned into a robot, but Robotnik and Sonic weren't because she wasn't affected by the Bem.
>>141826337 Now for one of the more annoying instances of a story not being fully available digitally. Long story short this was not available digitally but some pages were in English and the whole thing in Spanish. So there are varying sizes and quality.
>>141826356 He amplifies negative emotions. He's not making them any more stupid than they already are. >>141826369 If it wasnt for Nicole's hacking, Naugus would currently be a mindless robot slave alongside his 'subjects'.
>>141826367 >but some pages were in English and the whole thing in Spanish >Naugus is so schizophrenic he can't even keep his language straight Dios mio... el rey de los locos...
>>141826325 Its a fanfic that tries continuing the preboot story with the characters findings themselves in the rebooted universe, but in the fic's case that new universe is the IDW one. Mecha Sally ( with a regained consciousness) and Nicole are basically the main duo in for most of the story so far.
>>141826391 All these pages are in better condition in Spanish. Not so much in English. There's even a reviewer that had a couple pages in English and digitally. Not sure why.
>>141826290 I like the concept and some of the ideas are really fun, way too much crying and suffering, but Tangle and Whisper are in it so I expected a lot of crying going in. Needed more chapters like Sally fighting Rough and Tumble, that one was really good >>141826325 Fanfic where the Super Genesis wave generated the IDW Universe instead of the Reboot
>>141826356 It's a pretty subtle plot point. It's only brought up once and people kind of forget he can do that. Even some anons in the 224 storytime a few days ago didn't notice he was using his magic on the council.
>>141826269 >that last panel of Sonic ... I bet Ian would've had Sonic outright kill Eggman if he could get away with it. Shit's gone to far this time. The only way Ivo could even hope to not get put down is for Sega themselves protect him.
>>141826425 My take way is humanity is just the default appearance races gravitate towards. Explains why all mobians have humanoid looks despite comin from different races.
>>141826378 It's insane. Like, imagine reading all of this terrible stuff happening to Sonic and his friends and it just ends -- at least officially. No resolution, no answers, nothing.
>>141826337 >ACTUALLY having the balls to put Nicole in the same category as Dr. Eggman ... Right. These "people" officially deserve to die. The Xorda did nothing wrong.
>>141826461 >Not even the real moobotropolis Oh fuck how come no one mentioned that yet? Naugus is trying to claim his right to rule a city that wasnt even part of the kingdom in the first place.
>>141826466 It's funny that ASO having a lot of straightforward solutions and being less edgy and suffering focused actually works considering how rough these last few issues are for everyone. Will say though, i'm shocked that even Naugus actually survived to the end of his arc, even Ian was going to kill that guy eventually from what I recall, but I like Naugus enough that I like the decision
>>141826519 Sorry I meant people who were currently roboticized. Obviously this was a retcon on Ian's part, but it might just be a cause from the world reset as well.
>>141826583 Poor Sonic, he's going to be at his wit's end for the majority of these comics until the reboot. >>141826572 >Can I be harsh on G Geoffrey? Yes. He's still an absolute shithead.
>>141826436 >Nagus in the Mega Man Universe >His magic ramps up anti-robot hysteria >Now depending on the time period he can possibly fuck over Wily & Light >X, Zero, Cain & Sigma >Or even Weil & Ceil
>>141826551 >don't be too harsh on the citizens. I refuse, the unwashed mob of the masses do not deserve democracy, do not deserve the FF and most certainly do not deserve the Acorns. Let them rot,
>>141826559 Yeah, trying to be too edgy after all this would have ruined it. After everything we saw, it doesn't hurt to see things get solved without much pain for the heroes.
>>141826551 >Preemptively going to say... don't be too harsh on the citizens. FUCK 'EM! And yes, apologists, I know Nagus is enhancing their emotions, but the story makes it clear that he's only prodding what's already there. They already feel this way. Fuck 'em!
Return to Angel Island is one of the best arcs out of everything in archie sonic. For me it was really funny how jon gray's cartoony art style and karl boller's more serious stories created a tonal dissonance in the arc overall. Even though, I still think both of them did a great job the art was kind of cute looking and Kneecaps the Echidna was an interesting addition. They did a good job with the final fight between The Hunter and Super Knuckles, which I am confused if it is the same or a different form than Hyper Knuckles
>>141826633 Peak asshole Naugus in all his glory! >>141826630 In the original print it was but for some reason it's not in the English digital print or reprint. I don't know what's up with it but I did my best cobbling together the pages as best as possible.
>>141826551 Ah the issue with Julie-su's EXIT. Also the last issue with Ben Bates, aside from the crossover. He had a problem with not being able to ink his own work and archie didn't allow him to do it, so he quit.
>>141826636 >Wonder how they'd take care of Antoine though? Well after killing him off was off the table, he would have just recovered with a change in outfit.
>>141826665 >blatantly insult a guy for grieving about losing his sister >still is praised loudly Honestly, I can't blame him, at this point he can get away with anything. >>141826688 Yes, Geoffrey, because the fact you're doing this shit just after your wife died after years of sitting on your ass is a total coincidence.
>>141826715 Naugus could literally tell everyone he's brainwashing them and that the second he gets sick of them, he'll put them in the Zone of Silence for all eternity and they would still wipe his ass
>>141826688 See what happens when you let “democracy” poison the mind of the peasants?! They’ll throw themselves at the feet of whichever petty tyrant promises to fill their immediate wants, without any forethought!
>>141826607 I really like that Mecha Sally is what causes Sonic to actually become unstable, >>141826636 He'd be back eventually, I don't doubt there would be a lot of Drama though, the positioning of his bandages in the issue where they first show him in the hospital kind of made me think he'd lose an eye like patch. >>141826717 I still think they lied about wanting to kill him and just wanted to drum up more reader attention, they course corrected way too fast.
>>141826760 >the positioning of his bandages I think that was simply to imply he'd get facial reconstruction to explain his new appearance. I don't know if Ian ever confirmed, but I assume Antoine's reboot design was originally intended for his return preboot, or at least a similar face design.
>>141826556 >forcefully rebuilt, crying oil, with Orbot making not that her energy source (aka soul) kept going up and down >killed her father in brutal fashion >forced on bend n' knee as Eggman's personal butler Fuck, is there any Sonic character that's a trained psychiatrist?
>>141825714 >Crazy how the Babylon arc was coming out along with these issues. Fucking hell the good guys get no time to rest. Bunnie was revealed unroboticzied before the issue it happens. Fuck Kaminski, not knowing how to schedule shit.
>>141826798 Have I mentioned that I kinda hate this arc? Granted, I wouldn't if all this misery porn had a happy ending, but it doesn't. THANKS, KEN. YOU ASSHOLE.
>>141826763 >"Ah can't believe it! Ah'm back to nor- oh mah stars, all those years of built-up bodily prcesseeeeeEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!" >to this day New Mobotropolis still speaks in hushed whispers of the Yellown Tide
>>141826879 >I wouldn't if all this misery porn had a happy ending This is really the worst part. It's just all so unsatisfyingly cruel without a conclusion.
>>141826862 The frustrating thing about this plot point is that we know how it works, he just has to supercharge the ring off the Master Emerald like Scourge did during the Enerjak saga. Knuckles already has the means, Ian was just stalling.
>>141826862 So long Dimitri I wonder how the Guardians would've come back if the pendering didn't happen >>141826830 yeah now that you mention it, it makes a lot more sense, funny how all the FF redesigns can be explained by changed status quo at the time >>141826893 What do you mean EXIT? You can still read all about her in the upcoming issues of the Laara-Su Chronicles!
>>141826956 God, and remember that Roboticized Mobians are fully aware of what's going on. So Sally got a first person view of her body being mutilated and rebuild.
>>141826830 >I think that was simply to imply he'd get facial reconstruction to explain his new appearance. Antoine's face varied back and forth way before that, though.
>>141826862 I’m surprised Ian never actually outright killed off the brotherhood. He just banished them to another dimension. He never intended to use them ever again and he had no qualms about killing off Albion, it seems strange that he’d be so merciful to the stalker grandpas.
>>141826977 I can't do this, not when I know what's happening next time we cover the main series. I can't believe how attached I've grown to a guy that was voiced by Rob Paulsen doing a stereotypical french accent. >>141827000 >Ian's laughing. What? Why acknoledge them again if they weren't going to do it anyway kek
>>141827037 To be fair, Bollers was the guy that banished them in RtAI, Ian just mentioned it again for some reason, to kill them off would mean he'd probably have to actually show what happened
>>141827062 >rafaela k. Yes, yes, it's her. >>141827043 >What? Why acknoledge them again if they weren't going to do it anyway kek I don't think there were ever plans to bring them back. And if they were then it would be to kill them off.
>>141827062 And this is why I rreally do not like the take SAO went with for Bunnie. And I know they based themsleves on the outline Ian had planned but it makes even less sense Ian had planned Bunnie to just get herself legionised and become an eggman paw in the process.
>>141827038 It's honestly pretty funny how Bunnie immediately realized that she just got a severe downgrade. Love when the bruiser character is actually intelligent.
Also, Antoine being an extremely good husband here. I ain't even gay, but like...
>>141827128 I mean, Bunnie was already having a hard time going against her Uncle and she failed in helping anyone when Antoine got obliterated, I could see it actually happening
>>141826893 >Post Super Genesis Wave >Rumors in the Twilight Cage, there's a group of nomads >Going to Zone to Zone in hopes of finding their home. >Along the way they braved the dangers, adapted and even helped those lost. >All we know is the names of their leaders, if that's their names >Matriarch, The Constable, Mach and Su.
>>141826946 >Knuckles meets Dr. Finitevus again in the final battle >Knuckles taps into his Chaos powers again but is still defeated by the mad doctor >As Knuckles lays unconscious, he has a vision of Locke >Locke tells his son not to hold guilt to himself. The Guardians were good people, but they made mistakes too. The whole Echidna race made mistakes. >But Knuckles can do what the Guardians and himself failed to do: try and set things right instead of hiding from it and letting guilt take over. >Locke tells Knuckles that, in his dream all those years ago, he saw his son "bring order from chaos." A single act of selflessness -- influenced by all of the allies and friends he met in his life-- that would save not just his people, but the world. >Father and son hug one more time and Locke says he's always been proud of him. >Knuckles wakes up. He's pissed. >Chaos Knuckles storms his way through Finitevus's base and fights him head-on. >In one powerful burst of pure Chaos energy, Knuckles tears open a hole to the Twilight Cage, instantly returning the Brotherhood back to Mobius and pulls the Chaos energy out of Dr. F, instantly returning him to sanity >Order from Chaos
>>141827128 I always wondered how Ian was going to address the bombs in cybernetics problem. I don't think her uncle would do it to her knowingly, but it'd be stupid if he somehow figured out how to sneak some cybernetics without bombs.
What I really hate about this era is that Ian keeps making everything suffering. Fuck him for that. Sure there was things outside his control but he still decides to make things shitty for everyone. It's a MAJOR turn off
Another comic out there is ASF. It's still relatively new but it's finally getting to it's own cure sally part. I really do want to see what new things they do as they said they wanna focus on the characters alot
>>141827145 I don’t know, they both have their weaknesses. ASO seems to have a strange aversion of giving their villains any punishment, both Nagus and Lien-da are let go with a slap on the wrist, it feels like Steven Universe or something. Retold is the opposite, it’s so dark and depressing it resembles Berserk more than Sonic.
>>141827279 I really liked that Chuck and Nicole interaction they had, sold me on seeing another Archie Sonic continuation. Wonder how the'll deal with Bunnie
>>141827145 Online has a much lighter tone, but that's pretty close to Archie. The art's not bad and there's some genuinely nice moments
>Max snapping out of his dementia to tell Elias to take care of his mother and daughter and he's proud of him >Sonic beating Mecha Sally's 10-second detonation timer to save her >Sally wanting Sonic to stay with her and her family >How Naugus is defeated >The Endangered Species arc gets concluded >Sonic Underground resolved bitch
Here's an idea for Bunnie. Say she gets into battle as her normal self. The first few are learning experiences but she falls back on the martial arts training Sally gave her and Antoine teaches her swordsmanship. Then it happens. Bunnie get wounded. Bad. Mortally.
But...something happens. It's not quick but a change happens. She starts to heal on her own. Her wounds close up, she starts to get up. She PISSED. She starts shredding Egg Pawns and it's discovered that she still had a some namomachines from the time she got hacked and they needed a Kickstart to start giving her abilities.
>>141825422 Yeah this is why the Archie fags still persist after all these years. Most of the superhero comics aren't as good as this, even a lot of manga doesn't push the characters this far.
>>141827277 The solution that Ian was setting up was using the Krudzu and the deroboticizer to return her to normal despite her modifications. Other continuations have gone different routes.
>>141827258 One thing that I miss from early Archie is how the comic could fluctuate between silly fun and serious stuff happening, or even a mix of both that would result in things like Super Sonic vs Hyper Knuckles. The comic taking itself too seriously is probably what I dislike the most about Ian's run.
>>141827347 I don't think Ian ever even intended to use that one, the reboot must have already been in planning stages back then. It was just an excuse to get Shard out of the story.
Gonna release some negativity. Even if penders didnt get told to fuck off, Sega would have changed things about archie anyway eventually. Sonic cant have family, close child hood friends he fought with or anything else not like game shit. Cant even really have any different continuities anymore, everything has to be canon somehow which is its own set of cancer when you're a game fan. Only exception to this these days is of course the movies. Which are pretty neat imo with how it changes and mixes stuff. Makes it interesting to me at least.
>>141827465 I think it says alot about reboot archie that there isnt any continuations of it out there for its own dangling plot threads. because no gives a shit and dont find it as good as pre boot.
Hey, speaking of the reboot, do you guys think some of the characters there were already planned to be used in the preboot before this whole Pendering mess came up ?
>>141827555 No, it's more because it's a lot like the games and we we have a clearer picture of how things would turn out, and while it wasn't fully introduced, the reboot made Sallicole mainstream in the fandom.
>>141827555 I don't think it's just a quality issue. The only major story of the reboot was an Unleashed adaptation that isn't even relevant for most people because they can just Play Unleashed instead for that.
Barefoot with me. You've got no choice >:) Suddenly you are in Mecha Sally's body. Eggman has special orders for you: massage his feet. As you do, all five of your senses are utterly intact, and there's no explanation why, but do you really need one? Of course, you've got your sight, smell, hearing, and, most important, your touch. What you don't have in Mecha Sally's body is a choice! And the Doctor wants to relax for a long while... Good luck!
>>141825117 yet again I miss issues I wanna talk about due to overtime, adulting fucking sucks
Can I just say I fucking love this cover? I dunno what it is about it, I think because it reminds me of those japanese Sonic x dvd box arts. Or maybe just how anime it is in general in way that can only work with it being a Sonic comic, if anyone else did something like this it would feel like a anime parody
>>141827476 People give Penders too much infamy. People seriously thought Knuckles wasn’t allowed to wear his OVA cowboy hat for years because he claimed he owned it. Penders is just a retard who got really lucky. Sega was already slowly sanitizing Sonic since Unleashed. Sure without Pender’s lawsuit Ian could have finished his Metal Sally story but come current day the comic would probably still look as bland and mandated as IDW.
>>141825404 >>141825422 I think whats important here is that what Sally does here is a hundred percent her own choice, this isn't some shock thing done TO her by some new character or being forced on her by some authority figure, that means a lot considering how previous writers have handled her
>>141827624 >it's a lot like the games Anon, no game is ever going to continue anything that happened in those comics, there's already more IDW sidestory comics than there are Reboot continuation ones and that continuity is basically forced to comply with the games >>141827643 A big thing about Reboot that I feel prevented more people from wanting to continue is that even though there was more planned it ended during a break spot after the end of the main running arc, The final issue of the Shattered worlds crisis is actually a pretty good ending point for Archie sonic
>>141827658 >Ian could have finished his Metal Sally story We've been seeing important characters EXITTING since like 20 issues ago. If anything he might have had a mini arc to spare without the Penders issue blocking the writing.
>>141827745 I guess. But we do know Shard and the Krudzu weren't meant to be in Endangered Species, so that bit about saving Sally wasn't part of Ian's plans.
>>141827847 >they still try to get superhero stuff going You shitting me? Fuck, I thought they had just resigned to comedy/romance with the occasional horror piece that they just give up on.
>>141827729 >there's already more IDW sidestory comics than there are Reboot continuation ones Out of all their flaws, do you think IDW has a better marketing than Archie did ?
>>141826367 Evans work and colors for this and her next story are top tier and nothing she's done for the books for sale will ever top them. they just have that finish you can only get from a webcomic taking it's time
>>141827884 Also Sega started cracking down. They didn't want Tails naming his parents and also had Shard change from a "Metal Sonic" to a "Mecha Sonic" and even had a line edited where Shard called himself a Metal Sonic to the regular one.
>>141827901 You can tell IDW isnt as fed up with Sonic as ARchie was near the end of the run. I think its less marketing, more that more people are open to IDW than reboot due to the drought of content, and wounds healing over.
>>141827875 That's before Antoine fucks her right there. >TFW Twan fucks her by that specific window, because it's in view of Geoffrey's holding cell >He wants to show that bastard that at least he can still fick his wife.
>>141827937 People have even paid for his questions about releasing and he give out fucking nothing with his lies about not allowed to release them. cunt.
>>141827936 IDW doesn't have the baggage like Archie did and I'm talking about having its original setting wiped and all its plot threads swept under the rug and going along with a new universe. That stings on so many levels and feels quite morbid.
>>141827894 pic related came out november of last year and Jaguar is currently on pre-order, also for some reason there are a bunch of random superhero stories in the more recent Archie stuff, they are still pushing the crusaders ocasionally, at this point it's pretty sad. >>141827901 IDW doesn't have good marketing as a company, but their Sonic but it came out at the right time and got the right amount of attention from fans to build a steady following, and it's basically one of the only things keeping the company afloat alongside TMNT so they don't have contempt for it like archie did
>>141826732 Unintentional but I love how him using his magic on that last panel make him look like the Frenzy Wisp >>141826752 It's so odd to see the whole leotard, also damn Ben gives Bunnie NO ass.
>>141827952 Why would they promote a dying comic? The characters I can understand since they own them, but why media that's gonna be dead and legally won't be able to released anymore in the future?
>>141826798 You see, the real problem with IDW is that they give you ONE backstory and maybe a few stories of their characters being ok but try to dump shit like this on you when here the characters earned it from being built up for multipole stories
>>141827996 This looks exactly like the kinda cashgrab stuff that would come out during the 90s comic boom, just to fill store shelves in the hope investorfags would bite. This is embarrassing.
>>141826977 >>141827000 >>141827023 >>141827038 Okay, I'm gonna jump the gun here cause it'll be way more potent during THAT issue but....why didn't they just give Bunnie a gun? I'm serious she had to aim the arm cannon herself, yeah she wouldn't have super strength or a force field but I feel like she'd be just fine as sort of a gunslinger plus it adds to her western cowgirl aesthetic.
Also is it just me or is weird how the artist seems to avoid drawing flesh n blood Bunnie from the waist down in this story, makes it seems like she's for real naked down there
>>141828041 It's bizarre just how may of those archie digest comics have Crusaders stories in them, hell I randomly opened one in a pirating site and it had 2 superhero stories back to back
I just wanna say while I have some problems with Frontiers writing myself that Ian and ST did. I do wanna point out that its literally in response because of the fans kept bitching about. Bitching about nothing being connected/no world building, characters having no arcs, plots being basic kids stuff. Fans bitched and they gave what you wanted. Problem is like always, they go to the extremes combined with incompetency
>>141828005 Shadow is as popular as he is solely due to Maekawa. His character has been horribly mishandled for a decade yet still has a immense fanbase because of how well he was written at the start.
>>141828116 >avoid drawing flesh n blood Bunnie from the waist down in this story, makes it seems like she's for real naked down there But she is not wearing anything down there.
>>141827090 Crazy Rafa went from submitting fan art to making official covers and models for Archie characters....to fucking up her connections with the company, retiring, and then making paywalled porn
>>141828127 Shadow is also mid. Emo Sonic who appears to just say hmph and be an agressive bitch to Sonic, then fuck off to do it again later. Boring drivel.
>>141828127 Basically this. When people think of Shadow, they think of Maekawa's version that broke the character out, not Iizuka's diet coke Vegeta version.
All the way since back to the SatAM days and his BS still has ripples going through current Sonic media.
And then he has the audacity to say on his site that Sega and Archie were never gonna use the comic character when he was literally a huge reason why they didn't. Fuck him
WITH MY LAST BREATH I CURSE IAN! YOU FUCKING HACK JUST TO HAD TO MAKE EVERYONE SUFFER FOR FUCKING FOREVER BEFORE THE CROSSOVER AND REBOOT CUT YOU OFF! AND FUCK YOU PENDERS!
