Sonic Universe #25-28 Silverchads! Rise up! Our boy is in for the fight of his life as he encounters an invader in his own time period causing trouble! But when he follows them back to their world, he finds himself on a Mobius unlike the last one he visited. This is Dark Mobius! He’ll have to help a different version of the Freedom Fighters as they fight for their lives against the ultimate evil! Enerjak reigns supreme!
>>141732478 >Question: How powerful should Silver be? He should be the third most powerful good guy behind Sonic and Shadow but still someone that works best with a partner.
>>141732478 Real talk, is Silver's popularity an ironic thing? Cause the character is basically defined from the jump as being an overpowered fuck up. Like, the whole point is that he's an incompetent oaf. And that's appealing, is it? I ain't judging, I'm just asking.
>>141732530 In 06 he was sealed away and in everything else Silver simply hasn't found him in the good future and Shadow seems to always get fucked by the bad futures. Possibly his biggest example of jobbing if you think about it.
>>141732573 >VEKT! Haha. >>141732559 They can bond over fucking over the world and realizing they were shitheads. Trade stories of their glory and being humbled by teenagers.
>>141732705 >first panel Again, image the sheer amount of fucking SEETHE Vector must've experienced when he found out that Julie-Su's daughter was fucking his son.
>>141732761 >king shadow: where's the maria statue?! this place sucks! Would be nice to see that guy show up here. Just bring in all the overpowered characters.
>>141732780 >poor little white hedgehog >>141732727 It really depends. Edmund's over 100 and that's half of the 200 years in the future. 30 years in the future on Light Mobius and Lara-Su and Argyle are just about a couple. But different timelines mean it can be anything.
>>141732742 >You don't like big DBZ fights in an apocalyptic future? Yeah, kinda. It's just four issues of one big fight, and the more interesting things about explaining about the world and how it got to this state is relegated to the Archie Sonic blog which is long dead.
>>141732788 >he probably eats cat food >culturally apropriating from Blaze s.m.h, another reason silvaze wouldn't work >>141732807 Silver better prepare to telekinetically stretch his anus
>>141732830 Should I read into Espio's prelate getting at Silver's ass? >>141732816 Maybe that bird girl he danced with when he had those cursed proportions.
>>141732965 For a franchise sold on speed it can be slow as fuck. Silver was supposed to be developed and properly explained in his own game but 06 failed spectacularly and Silver hasn't gotten his own game in almost two decades and has remained in character development limbo since. Oops.
>>141732984 Yeah, Penders had some cool ideas that, with time and attention, would have been so cool.
On paper, Knuckles going on a historical treasure hunt full of unlocking ancient secrets and recovering lost treasures to find out what happened to the other Guardians would have been fun.
>>141733098 >>141733097 They should be descendants. This is still a future of the main timeline. They have different names and aren't older than Jani-Ca.
>>141733121 Although I don't know for sure. Mobians seem to not age that much after a while. But I can't see these being the same characters but with different names.
>>141733149 >>141733133 Is it? That's weird. Feels like completely different characters and not the same characters but taken down a different path in an alternate timeline.
>>141733098 >For that anon that wanted Jani-Ca and Silver to meet. Here you go! It's still funny to me that the comics made a Trunks expy five fucking years before the games did.
Also, this is basically Androids Trunks meeting Goku Black Trunks.
>>141733043 I think I prefer the way Cores are treated here as the soul as opposed to IDW that just lifts them being random power ups you get from random places
>>141733121 Y'know, something kinda odd about this storyline is that they never just outright state that Enerjak is Knuckles, despite it being bloody obvious. I wonder if that was to keep Sega from getting pissy, since this was during the lawsuit and all.
>>141733149 >That's sick! Yeah, it really is. What the actual fuck.
>>141733180 I like how this confirms that this is indeed the same "Jani-Ca" from those previous issues. Nice that whole thing actually mattered in the end.
>>141733337 >>141733313 >I like how this confirms that this is indeed the same "Jani-Ca" from those previous issues. Nice that whole thing actually mattered in the end. It's a shame when you compare how she was in the past to how she is now.
>>141733317 I always imagine Enerjak to be like Killer Bob. Just using people as their personal limos, feeding off their pain and extreme negative emotions, and jumping from body to body until it finds the "right one"
Seriously though, this is a raw ass moment that shows just how far he's fallen. His own wife. Poor Julie-Su. Like she hasn't had enough bullshit to put up with.
>>141733399 >This world's Knuckles died the absolute second Enerjak touched him. The moment Enerjak got his hands on him, Knuckles' personality and soul were evicted from his body >There is literally nothing left of Knuckles, aside from a husk Enerjak trucks around. >Though sometimes, just to fuck with Jani-Ca, Enerjak mimics her dad's voice
>>141733463 Gemerl doesn't appear until World's Collide, and he's a recurring character in the reboot. Sadly, tragically, there's no Battle or Advance 3 adaptations. Especially sad since the way the reboot works, they absolutely did happen at some point.
>>141733467 >In every universe, Locke's microwave madness has caused unimaginable amounts of suffering and chaos >In comparison, the zones where Locke didn't microwave his son are much more peaceful. >The one zone where Wynmacher was Knuckles' dad is actually an honest to God utopia
>>141733218 >excuse me >hey >i would like to ask you something >you >mister Many ways to address someone you don't know, but Silver immediately went to his species instead, like the unmannered brat he is.
>>141733211 Someone asked Ian on his forum way back when, and he mentioned that he designed him with the glove on to keep it ambiguous if his hand is still skelly or not.
>>141733538 >last panel That's a good question, actually. Why IS Silver so fucking strong? This is like Lapis Lazuli, a character is just inexplicably absurdly powerful, but it's never explained despite other characters acknowledging how weird it is.
>>141733655 >>141733652 Silver has unlimited potential. As we'll find out, he's not the most powerful but he can do just about anything with his powers.
>>141733748 Would be nice to have a straightforward mentor. >>141733741 I don't like those two words put together. I don't like "excretion" in general.
>>141733729 I dunno, I think one of the enties thats basically like Sally recalling Sonic running off to go fight Enerjak and dying that used screencaps from the end of the SA2.5 is on waybackmachine but next to a lot of it it's just gone
>>141733843 Jani-Ca is no Sally, that echidna is lucky that the Sword of Acorns is even deigning to let an inferior species like hers wield it's awesome might, It's all for Sally to be restored.
I like how Silver is written here. He's like his game counterpart, but with different storylines to give him better focus and scenarios. Why do people want the uwu shit from IDW?
>>141733900 Silver's game character is hard to grasp for a lot of people because only his optimism, naivete and determination is explained and the rest has to be read into. The uwu shit is easy to grasp and makes women go nuts.
>>141733463 Ian said that he that there was too much on the table to introduce Emerl and his story wraps up in Battle better than he can tell it since it would spans many issues to adapt the story and he had no time for it. Which was kinda lame, but understandable answer. As the one of three Emerl fans I was also waiting for him to appear in the comic.
The fact that when Gemerl was finally introduced, and the fandom just treats him as "replacement Shard" also made me underwhelmed about him in the reboot.
>>141734081 Dark Mobius Lara-Su WILL pull Silver's weedhair in bed and dom him but Light Mobius Lara-Su has to breed with Argyle to secure Edmund's existence, so Jani-Ca wins by default.
Sonic wouldn't be able to touch Enerjak without a Super form like Silver has. Sorry, Sonicbros, Silverchads are stronger. But that was known even in the games where Silver defeated Sonic.
>>141734148 It's all coming together now! >>141734150 I wouldn't be surprised if Spectre was the exception for Ian. But sadly they all had to go. Especially with the lawsuit.
>>141734193 >>141734210 This is one of those things where the solutions is presented as so simple and easy that it makes everyone in this damn universe look like morons for never trying this before.
>>141734159 >>141734200 Both of these fights involve exploiting weaknesses. Sonic beat Silver in Generations by hitting him while he's open(this is Silver's actual biggest weakness) and Silver beats Enerjak here by countering and redirecting his energy powers.
>>141734210 man, i really love how smug silver face is on the last panel, makes me sad those overcartoony expression can't be used at all on IDW, shadow rageful stare to marine was amazing too. I miss when tracy was THE main western sonic penciller, he will always be a sonic legend to me, there's a reason how every sonic comic fan thinks in yarldey's art when comic sonic come to everyone's minds
As promised, Knuckles' Descent is a story written by Ian that was posted as a series on the SU blog back in the day. It covers events leading up to this arc and a little after it.
Who knew that giving Silver his own stories and lil bit of cast members makes him a bit better. There is seriously no excuse for canon to constantly pair him with blaze (fuck you 06) and not explore his good future with adventures in it. God damn. Silver is really shit in mainline. He's only tolerable in archie. That's just fact.
>>141734459 Acording to some unreleased hedgehog tails ideas, i remember ian saying after scourge lockdown, scourge was gonna made something so bad, fiona was gonna abandon him for how much of a monster he was gonna become, but i i remember something about fiona staying as a villian, makes me wonder if prime fiona actually had some good in her,or that was supposed to be an excuse to introduce Moebius good version of fiona. makes me wonder too if the fearsome foursome stayed with her or with scourge.
>>141734545 >that was supposed to be an excuse to introduce Moebius good version of fiona I'm glad that didn't happened, imagine how much of a wreck tails would be, knowing an actual good version of fiona. that fox suffered enough until mina fell in love with him.
>>141734566 >>141734628 I've warmed up to reboot Sally's looks a bit, but I just DESPISE how people they fucked up her eyes shape and make her hair weirdly small and less prominent. It's important to her design.
>>141734662 >It's been done already by someone else You mean in the past after ride ? That was a long time ago. I meant someone doing it now for people to see the Other M stuff that was used for this story.
>>141733900 I think the solution to the uwu thing is to give him his own sidekick like Sonic & Tails/Amy & Cream/Blaze & Marine/Surge & Kit that can have the uwu personality while Silver himself has the Game/Archie personality. Silver pretty desperately needs an emotional connection to someone that isn't purple anyway.
>>141732671 Yeah but in 06 he only failed due to outside interference. In Archie he's just stupid when he's not the main character.
>>141733012 I'm convinced that this is why Sega is just sitting on him. Explaining him, showing his future and doing ANYTHING with Eggman Nega is all being saved for for a game that focuses on him but they're just sitting on all of it and he's just around with little to no explanation.
>>141734150 Someone actually convinced Ian on his forum that Spectre still had some plot points that haven't been given any attention to so he still could be used, so he was put on the back burner instead of on hiatus like the rest of the brotherhood.
>>141734714 based vanilla, she should be covered as sega rules intended, but covered doesn't mean she needs to dress like a whore. that's why reboot sally had a really based design.
>>141734545 Fiona clearly gets off on being an asshole, but its clear even she draws the line at some points. SHe clearly was genuine for her hatred against Eggman.
>>141734720 Silver is forever stuck in being the naive type. So he will learn something but will always go back to being a retard that he is at some point.
>>141734756 Mecha Sally just feels disappointing after I've seen that same conflict done and solved in a single issue during the early comics. Makes it feel like an extremely overextended rethread that didn't even get a proper conclusion so it's objectively inferior too.
>>141734782 >>141734837 thuderbolt will always be the best egmman simp, she was perfect and funny too. katella or metamorphia would be my second choice.
>>141734794 That's because he's not allowed to develop as a character because the games can't focus on him. This is why TSR is hard to talk about for his character because the Japanese version had him at his smartest yet while the English version made him more retarded than ever.
>>141734765 The lack of cheek fuzz, the kept hair and the closed vest really change reboot Sally's whole vibe. She doesn't really sell "tomboy princess" anymore.
>>141734685 >eye shape Be glad they scrapped the original eye shape at the last minute. It could've been so much worse. Actually, I think this eye shape is what Evan used when she was revealed in silhouette in 252.
>>141734720 >I'm convinced that this is why Sega is just sitting on him. Explaining him, showing his future and doing ANYTHING with Eggman Nega is all being saved for for a game that focuses on him but they're just sitting on all of it and he's just around with little to no explanation. This. Silver was basically created to have his own game, but 06 got that idea shelved after being so critically panned. Everything about his character now are the after effects of not getting a Silver the Hedgehog video game.
>>141734882 I don't like their designs but as sidekicks their personalities bounce well off of Eggman's. Scratch and Grounder are more entertaining though.
>>141734967 I'm glad it let them be separate but Archie Silver and Blaze are also the only versions of them I could see myself shipping. Still glad they were separate though.
>>141734898 >The lack of cheek fuzz i'm pretty sure they already explained those are only on male sonic characters because are actually some kind of whiskers. tomboy is not somethnig entirely phisical tough, tomboy is an attitude too.
>>141734982 i'm glad she and tails became happy in some future, because both sucked at love when they were young. Tails liked cunty girls, while mina liked douches like archie sonic and ash.
>>141734837 >>141734889 >Another day at the E.G.G. Base >A brawl breaks out at The cafeteria >Starline and Thunderbolt are having another petty fight as Stone runs in with a steel chair >Grimer is trying strangle Snivley >Nephtys, Beauregard and Clove just look on with faces that somehow convey 2nd hand embrassment/why me/kill me at the same time >Cassia is taking bets with Abyss >Akhult is cheering on the brawl >Morderd hides under the table like a pussy >Drago tries to stop it, to look cool >He gets blasted out the window by Thunderbolt >He falls in front of Axel who just walks by like nothing happened >Eggman looks in, then quickly goes the other way. He tells Lien-Da to stop them >Lien-Da just fucks off, going to listen to Mina's collaboration CD with Fabian Vane
>>141735012 True, but design is important for Sonic characters, and more often than not have good synergy with their personalities. But reboot Sally is more of a Tumblr lesbian than anything resembling a tomboy, even in personality.
>>141734982 I enjoy characters who realize they aren't cut out to be part of the fighting group and can develop other talents to help. Helps flesh out their world. I like her sticc design, and she is kinda goofy and cute.
>>141734976 What the fuck? Has the conductor been missing some pages all this time? What a retard, Good thing I already finished Archie first. Do better next time
>tfw knowledgeable of the absolute terrible things to come for years >accepted that it happened long ago Despite everyhing, I don't feel that terrible that much as I used to. Plus, there's always Archie Sonic Online and Archie Sonic Forever and more for me to read to enjoy. Which is really neat to see and keeps my spirits up. despite everyhing, I'm a happy person bros.
>>141735065 >But reboot Sally is more of a Tumblr lesbian I really hate this shitpost, reboot sally was never a lesbian in the actual book. geez ian says shit outside the books like penders and j.k. rowling for tumbrl brownie points but for some reason, everyone actually believes in that bullshit when it never happened. heck, ben bates gave her reboot design a heart shaped hairdo because she was originally sonic love interest until that wasn't allowed anymore.
>>141735065 she might have possibly gotten with nicole if the book had continued. most likely it would have been her and nicole holding hands in front of sky with the bi colors, like with whisper and tangle
>>141733611 >>141734826 Not quite contributing or so, but it feels really cathartic to see other loving folks beyond just me having a warranting appreciation for Rotor and similar walruses, Dagger in this case. It's really cool, and warms deeply my heart. After years of Rotorposting myself, it feels good to finally reciprocate my love of Rotor, Dagger, Boomer and alike to others like this.
Whoever may be you dudes, I just wanna state that I hope we can stick together and be friends. And of course, good tastes. Out of curiosity, are you both sticking for the Ride 'till the end, or will you two still stick along?
>>141735207 Are you talking about Nicole/Sally ship? It's only visible in Alleah Baker's stories. It wasn't fleshed out enough to be put into the book proper, just the building blocks for it.
>>141735207 shipperfags take sparks of life as shipper fodder but in reality sally was super friendly to every single friend in that issue, specially nicole because it was a nicole centred arc, the main issue wasn't even shipping, was if nicole could be seen as an actual "being" because her mind was based on a dr death daughter, who put her mind on a little computer.
>>141735293 There's much better female characters than Midna. honestly it's surprising how she able to survive until this issue. Almighty Sega Genesis Wave will rid us from her
>>141735308 I'm more mad about reboot making nicole sally best friend, when Bunnie is her actual real best friend, but reboot bunnie friendship with sally was barely touched on reboot
>>141734387 Thanks conductor. SU doesn't stop hitting! >Genesis No, really? The start of the road to the reboot is already happening? I'm feeling a bit sad about that.
https://the-ride.neocities.org/comics/2022-01-17-the-vulture/ If you want the weirdest Silver that isn't from a shitpost comic, check out The Vulture. It's incomplete and those who hate Silvaze might be put off from it but you'll enjoy it regardless for the weirdness.
>>141735595 >those who hate Silvaze might be put off from it You know that only happens because of their personalities. Vulture Silver can make it work.
>>141733067 Won't lie, you're not far off here, but I find actually that his hunky muscular self to come off soft-boot, is his best self ever, if a tad bland for my taste.
>>141735284 You're implying I hadn't been doing that in occasion to begin with! I really find Smithy cute from his look alone, so naturally, I already figured him and Rotor would be absolutely a good portrayal of boomer men acting as if they are on their 30s, showing off one another their own dooming weapons as they crack open a beer simultaneously. Rotor is chillax as usual, but Smithy is moreso young'un outward dude that just got out of college. And if I must, Smithy is a verse power bottom for Rotor's verse top dom self.
I could go on and on really, but that's for the next thread. A shame he's of fallen state... doubly, for that no one really afforded to make good Rotor x Smithy grub. Sigh.
>>141735307 Ah cute! I hope I can talk to you for some more to come, good bud. Rotor loves you!
>>141735626 Both of their personalities are completely different outside of 06. Blaze has her Rush persona in every other game and Silver is either rowdy like his Rivals self or focused like Trunks.
>>141735654 The first one is just a mini story that gets reversed to the "original" reality ( with somoe Penders stuff already cut out ) afterwards. The second one is the definitve reboot.
>>141735654 the genesis wave was undone after that arc all it did was send the emerald to mega mans world, and made it so eggman could roboticize again
Weird how Jani-Ca doesn't use her own powers in this arc. The whole point of Silver meeting her was because of how similar they are but then she never shows the biggest similarity between them.
>>141734605 God everytime I remember P06 I just think about a world/timeline where Sega didn't fuck Sonic 06 over by insisting on a holiday release date and they don't split the team in half to make Secret Rings
Oh, anyway, in honor of Dagger's debut and sadly last ever appearance, here's this too.
Rest in peace, Dagger. Unfortunate your fate had to be pretty much vored by Chaos. Guess Ian really had a taste on torturing Rotor through the worst for who knows why.
>>141735855 Rotor's, yes. A better usage off Rotor's whole family bureaucracy and tragedy, and good basing off Max and Locke's paternal villainy of sorts, to summarize it pretty quickly.
>>141735855 Sally's is better, Antoine's seems to be the same, Rotor's is better, Bunnie's would've been interesting but would've lost the political intrigue. Sonic and Tails gets theirs fucked over just due to having nothing left.
>>141735855 new? with the exception of nicole and rotor almost all of them were the same as preboot archie. even nicole and rotor had similarities in reboot, like rotor backstory being centred on his familiy and how he was a foreigner, while nicole conserved tania del rio backstory about how she created her phisical from. The only thing i can remember they changed was how Antoine father was never menitoned and how was bunnie was originally from the sol dimension but that was more like backstory expansion, because her backstory showed her original story about being roboticized, but it was chuck's idea insted of random swatbots.
