Sonic #138-141 It’s time to take back Angel Island and Knuckles will have to do it without his powers! He can’t glide, he can barely fight, and that’s just the start of his problems! His people need a savior but can Knuckles be that person? Speaking of Knuckles, we have more 25 Years Later. The guardian and the king reunite and it’s not pretty. If you’re smart, you’re only following for Butler on art.
Not a Question: This is the last arc with Bollers as the main writer for Sonic. He still has a backup story (#145) and a two-part main story (#153-154) after this but the majority of the stories after this thread are done by Penders and Gabrie/Chacon. Then Ian Flynn comes in at issue 160.
>>141048998 >doesn't want sonic to risk his life fighting eggman >immediately goes on a mission to one of eggman's strongholds to rescue tommy fucking turtle >manages to still get mad at sonic Sally I'm confused.
>>141048998 1. I like this art so much, it's such a shame it was introduced for such a BAS turn of events 2. And this showcase even more how much of a BS it actually was, THIS is the true sally, the one who goes out to help those in need and has no issues sneaking out when ordered not to. Not the kind who go cry in resignation when told she can't.
>>141048977 >Return to Angel Island Finally, a no strings attached good Dark Ages story. Let's fuckin' go!
>This is the last arc with Bollers as the main writer for Sonic. He still has a backup story (#145) and a two-part main story (#153-154) after this but the majority of the stories after this thread are done by Penders and Gabrie/Chacon. We're creeping ever closer to our... destiny.
>Then Ian Flynn comes in at issue 160. It's always jarring to get to this era of the book. The jump in quality kinda hits you like a brick. Can't wait.
>>141049061 I like how Hope is just there, hanging out. Sorry confused kids, it's kinda silly to stop and explain why there's a human girl in Knothole when there's other stuff going on.
I don't mean to interrupt storytime with autism but I was thinking about how the Sonic/Sally drama could have been handled without the slap and needless Sally bullshit
>Sonic returns to Mobius, finds it's been a year, and so on. >It's revealed that Sally is meant to engage "Antoine" >A flashback reveals that Sally waited months for Sonic and the other Freedom Fighters, also believing that Sonic is dead, tell Sally that he would want her to move on and be happy instead of languishing about what could have been. >"Antoine" breaks up with Bunny and makes his move, charming Max and Alicia into winning Sally's hand. >Sally secretly has feelings for Sonic still, but she's spent too much time with "Antoine" to just dump him. >Sonic is heartbroken but knows he can't change Sally's mind (or so he thinks). She thought he was dead, she had to move on some time. >However, Sonic and Bunnie begin to notice that "Antoine" isn't acting like himself, acting more shady and cold, even towards Sally. >This leads to them pairing up (not in a dating sense) to try and figure out what's going on. >"Antoine" notices these two are catching on and begins to try and get rid of them, sabotaging their missions wherever possible
>>141049018 >>141049124 Why the hell did they decide to change her character like that all of the sudden ? Was the bossy girl persona becoming a popular thing ?
>>141049202 Yeah... having the dingoes be coded fascist was more than a bit questionable given that they did have legitimate grievances. Fucking council should've just sorted out their houses crisis. All these niggas wants was a decent place to live.
>>141049277 >>141049292 The artists can't figure out that his horn is supposed to be like a nose. They keep putting it on his forehead, which messes up his whole face.
>>141049202 >Turns out that not helping the dingoes for all that time made it easy for them to side with Eggman. >Echidnas: >Take too much time to provide proper housing and amenities to the dingoes and too long to end their second grade citizen status >Dingos >enslave them in work camps and force them to work to exhaustion while allying to a ware criminal Fair is fair, I guess.
>>141049124 You'd think learning that Eggman fucking wiping out an entire colony and enslaving thousand or so civilians in a concentration camp would get Sally to realize why Sonic needs to fight him instead of laying around the castle for her amusement
>>141049297 Man, when was the last time they even addressed that whole plot point about the dingoes being second class citizens in Echidnaopolis? I think after Knuckles turned green, Penders just plain forgot about it.
>>141049324 >Locke: Tell me, Kage.....what's worse-the fact your kind is still inferior to mines or you needed an even lesser being to prop you up? >Ivo:......And they call ME an egomaniac!
>>141049388 >At Archie's offices >"Hey, I haven't seen Butler in, like, hours. He didn't come to lunch. Is he still in his office?" >"Butler? Butler, what are you doing in there?" >"LEAVE ME ALONE!"
>>141049424 I don't think we ever learn what it was that caused Sonic and Tails' friendship to deteriorate. >Knuckles and Sonic don't like each other >Sonic and Tails had such a bitter falling out that Sonic didn't even bother to see him off. Actually kind of depressing.
>>141049387 Honestly, with the amount of whiplash trauma that has been happening, we're lucky she didn't steal Amy's hammer to break his leg so he can't leave bed.
>>141049447 It's Penders' canon, which is the only canon that matters. >>141049479 Apparently, it was thrown around as a joke at first, but then Gabire went and actually added it. Tails was originally supposed to be alone.
>>141049388 >bollers is taking Penders' pet island and actually making something fun and cool with it >meanwhile Penders is trying to kill everybody with sheer boredom in a story where fucking nothing is happening God, the contrast is so funny.
>>141049053 Was this under Pellerito's watch? It's credited to him, but we've still got two dozen more issues where Gabrie still occasionally pops up as a writer.
>>141049467 >>141049474 Yeah, it's so weird. What kid would read this and think it's so cool Sonic hates his old friends and is having a mid-life crisis.
I get that the "reboot" of this or whatever with Shadow and Silver wasn't perfect, but I remember Sonic still having Tails and Knuckles as friends
>>141049494 >>141049531 I think I would be less bothered by this if Knuckles didn't take so long to get to the point. I mean, reality itself is at stake, apparently...
>>141049574 >Mobius' core is unstable Oh, I know how this ends! Knuckles and Julie-Su will have another kid, build a rocket and send it to find another planet that he can live on.
>>141049616 Wait, you're not interested in a future where all the interesting events are over, all the characters are boring adults who spend their days resting on their wealth with their nuclear families, and where absolutely nothing is happening?
I hope someone edits all the "Misblamed" pages on TVTropes about how people blame all of Archie Sonic's autism on Penders when he was only one of three people at the helm from issues 51 to 159.
>>14104954 >Sonic and Knuckles are fighting side-by-side like bros against Eggman to save Angel Island >Penders writes that Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles don't even talk to each other and they most likely dislike the others now.
I get he wanted to make them more mature or grown-up, but come on? Sonic wouldn't be hanging out in Downunda with Tails making burgers on some insane homemade robo-grill or busting Knuckles' balls like two old college friends?
>>141049702 No, because Penders says no fun allowed! Also that would involve him knowing how to writing relationships beyond hackneyed drama or boring sitcoms.
>>141049616 >>141049670 The actual problem, IMO, is that something is actually happening and they take an eternity actually getting to it.
I think I could actually enjoy the Slice of Life stuff a lot more if it wasn't used to pad things up until we get tot he actual plot they kept teasing.
>>141049694 I never understood why you would ever have tubes sticking out of you. That seems like a fairly obvious weak point. Just Ghost in the Shell that shit at that point and go full prosthetic.
>>141049805 (RE)ENTER FINITEVUS In his true form! >>141049791 When Sonic returned to Mobius, Benny went back to his home planet. Sadly, he died on the way back.
Also, is it just me, or does Gray make the Dark Legion look certifiably badass? Heavily stylizing them like this works wonderfully for making them mysterious and menacing.
>>141049805 >>141049820 >Not only did Eggman and the dingoes have the gall to hurt Wynmacher, one of the few best dads on this planet, but they cruelly denied him his bathrobe and evening martini
Imagine if Knuckles tosses Wyn some wine and Wynmacher just immediately turns back to normal and starts beating people up Popeye-style
>>141049902 >Knux gives Wynmacher some wine made by Armand. >Wyn drinks the bottle >Cue Wynmacher, Master of Drunken Boxing like Shun from Virtua Fighter.
>>141049977 We haven't had Vector and Julie-Su argue in a while. >>141049978 It's technically still the same chaos emerald that his egg was hit with. But after MM, it go infused with his energy and became the ME.
>>141049938 >Oh right, Thirstposter is going to love this arc for some exploitable scenes. Like it's not the case for you either. Surprised all this Lien-da galore hasn't made you lost your page count yet.
>>141049977 >The Master Emerald gives you some form of autism in exchange for insane powers >Dr. F goes on autistic rants about science and technology and STEM at random times.
>>141050012 People say Bollers hated Penders, but he's clearly been giving him a lot of respect writing the characters to be so in-line with their miniseries attitudes.
>>141049983 The ruins where the the mural with Perfect Chaos are accessible to human in the game universe, but Angel Island with the tapestry less so. That's the one notch in that theory, but it doesn't make it impossible.
>>141049911 >Sojourner: I believe we've been betrayed, Brothers. >Sabre: No shit. >Spectre: So be it.....THEN LET IT BE HEARD, I WILL SEE THAT FINIVETVUS, IF IT TAKES A THOUSAND LIFETIMES, I WILL SEE HIS DYING BREATH! THIS I SWEAR!! ALSO THIS IS LOCKE'S FAULT.
>>141050034 I like how we actually see Knuckles having some real reactions to this whole prophecy nonsense instead of just going along with it.
>Guilt because he can't miraculously save these people who think he's the Messiah >Anger that his home is being destroyed >Confusion that his people are allied with dangerous technofanatics and some white twink with a science fetish
>>141050083 Kneecaps not only has Knuckle's attitude and love for a good scrape, he also had Wynmacher's charm, friendly nature, and his ability to pair the best wine for your steak dinner
>>141050125 Now we got ourselves a slumber party! >>141050112 Spectre had to have been taken out first. He would've started teleporting around and snapping necks and force choking the first hint of trouble.
>>141050181 Jammin' and grammin'! >>141050171 It's only going to get worse for him. >>141050122 Yeah he's done being led around. Only thing is that he's kind of broken right now.
>>141050201 MORE OF YOUR WORDS! >>141050184 This was originally planned to be part of his Ian Droid thing but got scrapped and repurposed because of Sega. Those bastards!
>>141049297 Remington being literally mindbroken is way more messed up than I thought it was going to be. Dude went from treating Knuckles like he was just any other dude to literally worshiping the ground he walks upon.
Literally can’t believe this was supposed to be the big story ken was leading up to. So fucking boring and other writers Dab on him when doing echidna stuff.
>Bollers: Takes the echidna lore and tells an exciting story about Knuckles coming to terms with his role as the Guardian. >Penders: Literal slumber party. ...
>>141050184 Given how much of a comic buff he is, I assume it was his "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow/Caped Crusader" etc, except canon. He's had the idea of Mobius' future in mind for quite a while (At least since the In Your Face special and Sonic #22), but it seems whatever exciting ideas he had for it were either scrapped or he assumed he had far more time than he actually did.
>>141050247 For all of Boller's faults with the Sonic/Sally bullshit, it's nuts that he's actually giving us a fascinating look into the Echidna lore and how it relates to Knuckles and that his friends, Chaotix and Sonic, will be there to help him no matter what.
Pender's future is that everyone has grown apart and hate each other and just sit around babbling about nothing
>>141050345 No. Gerald's Journal mentions a "Fourth Great Civilization", but the original Sonic Battle didn't make it clear if said civilization was directly connected to the Echidnas (Sonic Chronicles would make the connection explicit). It also only mentions Project Shadow when the project is in jeopardy and doesn't mention the basis for its design.
>>141050386 >that archimedes What the fuck?! >>141050375 Turns out only Gallagher cared about that ship. Ian already hated writing Tails and Mina. Imagine if it was Tails and Barby.
>>141050405 So the Ancients from Frontiers were the first, the Echidnas (the ones that didn't go tribal) were the fourth, and I think the Babylonians were one of the two in between. So did they ever say what was the remaining one was?
>>141050443 >Plastering the Eggman name everywhere >Still insistently referring to him directly as Robotnik Just give up, Archie. By now, the ship has sailed.
>>141050386 >Rutan: Mom, who exactly was Dad? I mean, I ask Grandfather Dmitri about him and he just gets really upset about it. >Lien-Da: Your father...well, he was a smart man, let's just say that. I met him long ago back when Eggman laid siege to Angel Island. >Lien-Da: But for such a smart man, he knew how to heel...mmm~. >Rutan: Alright, alright! Jeez, Mom, forget I asked! But...is that way my middle name is Phineas?
>>141050462 As far as I know, those are the only three explicitly identified ancient civilizations in the games. I don't think a fourth one was ever shown.
>>141050471 Filling in a continuity gaffe. The Tommy Turtle stuff was clearly supposed to happen pre-The Last Mobian, but got moved up as a backup issue over a dozen issues later. Therefore nobody caught the unchanged Robo-Snively during editing.
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>>141050490 Are you incapable of tracking me down before then? Literal billionaire. I can buy her, but you must chose to not fail. Duh, hey baws what’s it like being in charge eurgh? Are you sure we’re not the FELT?
>>141050386 Lien-Da is so hilariously menacing here. Gray is killing it.
And yes, it's never outright stated, but logic suggests that Finitevus is Rutan's father. It's honestly not that surprising Lien-Da would fall for him. More so that he actually has a concept of sex.
>>141050545 >Therefore nobody caught the unchanged Robo-Snively during editing. Ian later retconned that as a robot copy Eggman made to abuse and torture in between abusing and torturing the real guy.
>>141050495 >Knuckles: Please, Remington...don't call me that? >Remington: Should I call you something else? Master? Sir? Dadd--? >Knuckles: Dammit, those dingoes did a number on you, huh?
>>141050471 Part of the comic's current effort to remove all the comedy relief characters (i.e. Snively, Antoine) and go all-in as an edgy X-Men parody.
>>141050595 >In the future, thanks to his role in helping to free Angel Island, Harry will receive a pension for life, allowing him to do whatever he wants and go wherever he wants. >Harry just wants to drive his cab again.
>>141049702 MXYL Tails must have had the sense to tell Sonic to eat a bag of dicks after the Fiona incident, unlike Mainline Knuckles idk. Maybe Sonic tried to throw his royal weight around after Knuckles reformed the Dark Legion and Knuckles informed him he has no intention of letting Sonic boss him around on what’s wrong and right
>>141050342 There was a lot of discourse on what to name Knuckles's brother. Penders went with Mace but nobody else liked it, and being Penders he didn't budge. Mike settled with Kneecaps as to Bollers's suggestion in the end, with Mace as his middle name.
Speaking of Sonic Beginnings, Conductor will you be posting the Mike Gallagher Forward he wrote in there? It has some nice info not available elsewhere.
>>141050681 The sign says "roboticization replacement facility". Which means "making robot copies of captured people" given he still can't roboticize anyone at the moment.
>>141050712 Sometime after Sonic was sent into space and Eggman took over Angel Island. Th Guardians likely left him in the prison bubble and Eggman freed him to keep him around as a new weapon.
>>141050768 So there is potentially infinite amount of Chaos Knuckleses throughout the multiverse, that's a lot to take for their respective Ancient Walkers
>>141050785 >NO! >hilariously small in that speech balloon I wonder what he originally said. >>141050723 >Speaking of Sonic Beginnings, Conductor will you be posting the Mike Gallagher Forward he wrote in there? It has some nice info not available elsewhere. Depends. Send a link and I'll (most likely Thirstposter) will see what I (he) can do.
>>141050737 >>141050768 >Knuckles is the one who offed Eggman for good ... Really? That's dumb.
>"remade Mobius as you thought it should be" And that's just abhorrent. ... Although, it does serve as the basis for two much better stories down the line, so keep this extremely worrying thing we just learned about Knuckles in mind.
>>141050737 >>141050768 >Game Eggman steals the Master Emerald: Eggman, you dick! I'll beat the shit outta you. >Comic Eggman steals the Master Emerald: AAAAAAAAA I'M GOING INSANE! Also >You deciding I was some kind of threat Knuckles, you were power-tripping on godlike power. You really are Dimitri's relative.
>>141051001 >Vector starts talking about God >This starts an argument with Fini who goes another rant, this time about the Ancient Walkers & Source of All.
>>141051020 I wonder what Bollers had planned for Finitevus. It's easy to forget Ian didn't create him since he had to fill in all the blanks. Bollers never really put to paper anything about the doc.
>>141051020 >Fini has his badass sinister smile >Fini:....Well it seems you all don't need me. >Fini runs away Joseph Joestar styles >Archimedes: YOU PUSSY!!!
>>141051182 >Also, Knuckles is called Super Knuckles when it was originally meant to be Hyper Knuckles again. The name of the special was "Hyper Sonic Vs Super Knuckles", after all.
>>141051099 I assume he was gonna usurp the Dark Legion from Lien-Da and make it into an openly antagonistic force again.
I love that his introduction here is as an ally of convenience opposed to Knuckles on philosophical grounds, highlighting what's always been the most interesting aspect of the Dark Legion.
>>141051298 ENTER THE EGG GRAPES Probably the most evil thing Eggman has ever done aside from nuking his home universe's mobius and who could forget the Genesis Waves?
>>141051298 >Locke sees and experiences the horror that Eggman can easily bring and that, if he isn't stopped, he'll make what happened to Angel Island look like a fucking picnic >Locke STILL gets fucking pissy about the guardian bullshit
Keep in mind a good chunk of this is Locke's fault
>>141051320 Fucking hell, this is what cemented Archie Eggman as the most evil and vicious of the Eggmen/Robotniks. This shit is absolutely brutal and terrifying.
>>141051390 Again, this is all Sonic's fault. >>141051372 He tried but it was destroyed before it could kill everyone. The same cannot be said for the egg grapes.
>>141051427 Lien-Da! Where were you? I had to suffer this backup story with minimal Julie-Su and Sally goodness! It was horrible! Everyone was blaming Sonic and nobody else! And it was boring!
>>141051320 >Bimmy is going to die NOOOOOOOO Also the Egg Grapes are an interestingly horrific spin on the "Eggman powers his robots with animals" idea.
>>141051411 None of those things are even Sonic's fault. He didn't fire the ultimate annihilator or set up the quantum dial. They should be blaming Robotnik and the Xorda.
>>141051411 Penders turns two of Sonic's most heroic moments, including the one where he bravely put his life on the line for everyone, into gigantic fuck-ups.
>>141051390 It's definitely both. Also, I desperately want Sally and Julie-Su to spontaneously start making out. At least that would be something interesting happening.
Like, yeah the universe is rapidly breaking down. Clearly it's not that urgent since we've spent ages on tedious SOL shit. Again, not even good SOL shit.
>>141051411 Oh cool, so Sonic should've just let everyone fucking die then. I have a lot of critiques against Sonic as a character, but this is just asinine.
>>141051411 Notice that the one Cobor believes to be most likely is the one Ken probably had the least involvement with. Also >The Quantum Dial one probably did it. >Never mind that the alternative was Mobius turning into a black hole and killing everyone anyway, it's all your fault, Sonic.
This was a great story that Bollers managed to pull out of nowhere. How did he manage to do that despite his history of anticlimaxes with Naugus and the Bem?!
>>141051427 And again >Sending Echidnaopolis and Dingo City into different zones didn't do it. >The Dark Legion firing a weapon and sending most of Angel Island's inhabitants to another zone (which required Knuckles to fix) didn't do it. >Knuckles futzing about with space and time with his chaos powers didn't do it >Jani-Ca/Lara-Su time traveling didn't do it. >But the shit Sonic was doing/stopping? Yeah, that's the straw that broke the camel's back.
>>141051530 >>141051526 It's crazy how Ken seems to have gone out of his way to show that it's all Sonic's fault and Golden Boy Knuckles has to clean up the mess.
The universe collapsing or whatever could have been all of those Eggman/Robotniks ripping a hole in reality to bring the Giant Borg through.
>>141051607 none. it's just a mild conflict made over heroic acts so Sonic can make a heroic sacrifice. This happens literally all the time >you saved the day here but it had bad consequences so please save the day again
>>141051630 It's Archie's first reprint (technically second if you count SSS#3) of the sonic series, containing the first mini-series. It would be reprinted in the Archives format as Archives number 0 later.
>>141051615 >>141051633 It really is especially galling how all the other reality warping events are either ignored or handwaved.
And what is it with stories that bend over backwards to blame the good guys for bad things happening? Apparently Eggman and the DL are blameless angels in all this. What a crock.
>>141051831 >Haunted by his nightmare, Locke goes to get a snack to take his mind off matters. As he watches the Hot Pocket spin on the microwave turntable, inspiration strikes him with a literal DING! Lara-Le would have the best sex of her marriage with him that night.
>>141049502 >And by the way, thank you to that one anon from last thread who pointed out that Azumanga Daioh was the more relevant comparison for the time. No problemo!
>>141049474 >>141049561 I choose to headcanon this as Sonic saying goodbye to Tails in private and just not telling Sally about it because she didn't ask.
>>141049615 >Also, Sonia's outfit. Girl, what cyberpunk ass zone did you just come back from? She thought she was going to be in a story where shit actually happens
>>141051411 Wow, actually bullshit, you saved our lives? Fuck you for doing that hero of Mobius, fecal flavoured felching Echidna freak. Bastards were a mistake
>>141050817 >>141050838 The least Penders could've done is have Sonic be the one to cripple the Dark Legion for good, but I guess Ken can't into pottery.
So about the dropped Archimedes plot point, you can see him in the egg grapes along with his father and grandfather, so the other Archimedes was an imposter of some sort? Glad that was dropped, to be honest. Knuckles and the Chaotix lost too many allies as it was.
>>141049124 Look how handsy Sonic and Knuckles are! >>141049202 Ah, just like my basement! >>141049227 They really are cute! >>141049274 WHO LET REMY OUT OF MY BASEMENT!?! Seriously though, poor guy ;_; >>141049297 ;_; >>141049324 lmao, not so smug now are we Locke? >>141049336 Ha! >>141049371 It's a really cute look. I may have do do some art myself!
>>141052492 Knecapeon Mace was just huge word salad, and it didn't fit him with being in relation to Knuckles. I can understand why the others were not too keen on it.
>>141050453 Knuckles' glide is perfect now as is his movement. And you can actually beat the boosted Guardians now.
>>141052845 Fan continuation Remington almost always ignores the fact that he got mindbroken and ust keeps his Pre-Return to Angel Island characterization. I don't mind it, but I am curious how you'd make Knuckles-worshiper Remington work in a long-term story.
>>141050471 That first panel is fucking horrifying and it getting glossed over like that just encapsulates what makes Archie Eggman so scary. Dude sees literally nothing wrong with this demented shit, since that's his vision of how the world should be.
>>141050386 >Lien-Da and Finitevus seem to enjoy hanging out together. Alone. Rutan's totally their kid >>141050453 I hope they loosened the 400 rings limit for that boss rush. I still can't beat it ;_; >>141050471 I was not expecting that level of bondage in a Sonic comic >>141050544 Harry's so cute! >>141050635 >Sonic and Knuckles has great chemistry this story. It almost makes up for the Remington suffering >>141050678 Would
>>141050976 >GAAAAAAAY! Knuckles is Sonic's rebound redhead! >>141051020 THIS IS BULLSHIT! >>141051157 So angry! So pink! >>141051165 There it is! >>141051212 Yeah, Knuckles actually kills him here >>141051320 Remy ;_; >>141052886 >Fan continuation Remington almost always ignores the fact that he got mindbroken and ust keeps his Pre-Return to Angel Island characterization. I don't mind it, but I am curious how you'd make Knuckles-worshiper Remington work in a long-term story. Yeah, I think pretending it didn't happen is the best way to deal with it. If I had to keep it, he'd be more like his original self, but way more formal and deferential to Knux. He might worship him, but he knows they both have a job to do so he wouldn't be all starstruck like he is in this arc
>>141051102 Lien-da is so petty lmao. Glad Julie-sue finally told her off, and getting the reason why Lien-da holds a grudge on her. Another instance of other writers using Penders characters better than their own creator.
>>141052845 >>141052886 >>141053044 I think I'm more partial to keeping it solely because I'm a degenerate corruptionfag, but even I recognize that it's a pretty horrible thing to specifically subject Remington to. It makes sense for the story and the idea that that one year utterly broke him, but still - it hurts.
If I had to keep it, I'd definitely just make him closer to his old self and leave all the fanboy squealing and worship over Knuckles for when he's alone or around other characters.
>>141053086 Yeah, the corruption angle is kinda hot so I have to agree keeping it would be fun. Having him slowly come to terms with things would be a great story too, especially if Knuckles were there to help him realize he didn't need to worship Knuckles to cope with his trauma >>141053128 At least there's fan continuations where he's happy ;_;
>>141051320 This is such a horrific fucking scene. The Egg Grapes alone arguably make Archie Eggman even worse than some of the fancomic Eggmans we've done.
>Remington had 55% of his mind erased Honestly, even in the fan continuations where they ignore him getting mindbroken by the dingo takeover, they'd need to completely ignore the Egg Grapes as a whole to avoid Remington literally getting half of his mind erased.
>>141051457 Monk was simply dropped from a rather survivable height, especially for a Mobian. Hunter was not only rapidly spun, but tossed from a much greater distance and much further height. He may as well have been thrown into a cement wall at Mach 5.
>>141053159 I dunno, keeping his Knuckles worship is kinda cute - a fucked up coping mechanism for the fact the dude got mentally demolished then furthermore got GRAPE'D and lost a good chunk of his mind, but cute.
>>141053274 >The Egg Grapes alone arguably make Archie Eggman even worse than some of the fancomic Eggmans we've done. Yeah, I don't really like the OTT edgy evil portrayals of Eggman. It just makes the franchise a little too dark.
Not to mention, this is the dude that Sonic regularly punks, so it just makes it that much more pathetic that nobody else in the franchise can stand up to him.
>>141053450 Most of those edgy evil portrayals of him were either directly or indirectly caused by Archie or SatAM, who both depict him that way. So there's precedent.
