Sonic #59-60 and Sonic Kids The hunt for Ixis Naugus begins! For real this time! After getting tangled up with echidna stuff and Antoine’s roboticized father, Sonic and Tails continue their quest. The first obstacle is the return of a couple of troublemaking reality warpers. They used to be so nice but that doesn’t seem to be the case this time! And then it’s another weeby issue as Sonic and Tails deal with a flaming mountain set ablaze by the nefarious Iron Queen! And finally, have you ever wondered what the Freedom Fighters were like as little kids? No? Well, too bad because you’re going to find out as well!
Question: How much of Archie Sonic’s identity is tied to the Freedom Fighters? Could it still feel like an Archie comic if it was just Sonic and Tails without the others ever appearing?
>>140436342 >Question: How much of Archie Sonic’s identity is tied to the Freedom Fighters? Could it still feel like an Archie comic if it was just Sonic and Tails without the others ever appearing? Almost all of it is tied to the FF. It would basically just be a weirder AOSTH otherwise.
>Could it still feel like an Archie comic if it was just Sonic and Tails without the others ever appearing? Fuck no. Archie is ultimately a loose SatAM adaptation, and the FFs are intrinsic to that.
>>140436342 >They used to be so nice but that doesn’t seem to be the case this time Oh no!
>a flaming mountain set ablaze by the nefarious Iron Queen! Surely a villain that will be easily defeated and never come back.
>And finally, have you ever wondered what the Freedom Fighters were like as little kids? No? Well, too bad because you’re going to find out as well! I think Muppet Babies were at full force at that point in time.
>Could it still feel like an Archie comic if it was just Sonic and Tails without the others ever appearing? Honestly, no. That would just be Archie Sonic X.
>>140436377 I really hope you're not saying the only thing you find interesting about the franchise is Sally and her squad, because that's very shallow.
>>140436428 That pesky Ultimate Annihilator causing problems for everyone. >>140436393 Oh man, imagine if this comic took after AOSTH instead of SatAM.
>>140436400 people talk about the other characters and the plot lines that range from interesting to weird to extremely mishandled, though the FF do take up a lot of discussion for obvious reasons
>>140436431 No no. Sorry if i said it that way. Like I'm saying they're tied it and give it unique identity. Like of course the main appeal is the games, and Im not some old comic purist who entirely hates them. Just saying if every spin off was like the games that would be boring as whats the point of a spinoff then
>>140436417 Nah, Muppet Babies are from the 80s. Everyone else was/is following their coattails with younger versions of know IPs. Flintstone Kids, Yo! Yogi, A Pup Named Scooby-Doo are three such examples.
>>140436582 seems like even reality warping can't snuff their friendship/brotherhood out...though Sonic was gonna win and always would in a scrap with Tails
>>140436342 >Question I'd say a lot of it. The Freedom Fighters have been around since day 1 and have stuck around to the very end. The few instances they weren't were the World Tour and instances that were trying to be more like the games. World Tour kinda eeks by due to all the world building at least.
>>140436576 >Argus steals a bunch of plucky teens because he thinks they're going to kill lhim in the future >gets killed because they were actually a JRPG party and he put himself on their radar
>>140436669 And here's the unused cover. Always fun to see the ones that never make it to print. My favorite is the IDW issue with the girls smiling and posing in front of a forest fire. That was apparently a joke submission that editorial liked.
>>140436669 >wrapping my 'upper hand' around a foot long OH MY
>>140436721 Only in their home zones it seems, though Al and Cal fighting can cause damage to other zones, and Feist after his powerboost with a bunch of emeralds could theoretically expand his power beyond the Special Zone - he just doesn't.
>>140436738 What a lovable and claimable looking fellow! >>140436715 At least they're only screwing over their zone. >>140436721 Usually it's just their own zone but they can affect stuff outside it in some limited capacity.
>>140436716 >spoiler This is why, for all her faults, I will never give Sally too much shit. Even the writers who like her take sadistic glee in bullying her.
>The Genesis Wave happens >Once again, Al and Cal's zone is obliterated and the duo are reduced back to the sub-atomic level >Baffled and traumatized by the destruction of their home yet again, both deities are unable to maintain even their subatomic protozoan forms. >The only way to survive is for them to merge together into one supreme being >Although distrustful of the other, neither Al or Cal want to die. >They merge together, forming one single "Al" >This new being now has control of all directions, able to manipulate different dimensions and viewpoints such as 2-D, 3-D, 4-D, and even the fabled 5-D. >The new being gives itself a new name, one that although it doesn't understand why believes to be the most appropriate namesake. >Direction-Al
>>140436866 Look! A red female fox! Don't expect any reaction from Tails like the he gave last time he met one. >>140436846 They both graduated from PU = Penders University.
>>140436891 This guy looks fluffy as fuck. >>140436865 Geoffrey is now doing her father's bidding. Just be ready for Max to oppose her at every opportunity.
>>140436624 If I recall Tails beats Sonic in a fight in Rivals 2, when they're mindcontrolled by the Ifrit. Sad example how 3d games keep teasing shit like Knuckles lore, or Tails vs Sonic fight, or Rouge or Cream development, yet it only comes from 2d games.
>>140436846 >Max: I don't know how to get Sally to follow her destiny, old friend. >Locke: Here's some good 'ol Echinda knowhow. Just be vague, husky it up and lie!
Also, wasn't there some confusion at first about what species she's supposed to be? Could've sworn some writer or editor said she was supposed to be a badger, but she definitely looks human here.
>>140436992 Really >Due to her design, some fans thought she was an Overlander. It was stated in the letters page of Sonic the Hedgehog #71 that the Iron Queen was a Mobian badger.
>>140436956 >If Max died, Tails' parents would have little reason to revolt (if I recall they got along relatively well with Sally or Elias) and the Council bullshit would have never happened >If Geoffery died, Naugus would have never gained a foothold and brainwashed everyone into hating Nicole
>CLAIMED CLAIMED CLAIMED CLAIMED >TEHEE I CLAIM THAT BACKGROUND TWINK Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. It’s No nut November tone it the fuck down. Being gay and horny isn’t funny or quirky.
>>140437031 Tails' eyes are maximum uguu. >>140437013 Well... that's gonna be retconned later! I wonder if anyone remembered that or just let the change happen.
>>140436972 >So...uh, Regina...the Iron King. You're into that? >Oh, no, no! It was more of a political marriage, you see. >So there was no...you know? Intercourse? >Believe me, even if I HAD wanted to lay with that snorting cow, I wouldn't be standing here talking to you.
>>140437022 I remember from Ian's dumb podcast that Tails' parents didn't like Sally or Elias either, since they thought the Acorns as a whole didn't deserve to rule. They were gonna play up that Rosemary overwhelmingly takes decisions that would depower the royalty. Which, you know, more power to her. Royalty is made up of absolute undeserving fags, 100% of the time.
>>140437049 >I wonder if anyone remembered that or just let the change happen. Actually Im surprised with how so many characters and settings from the Ian run were already introduced during the dark ages.
>>140436342 >How much of Archie Sonic’s identity is tied to the Freedom Fighters?
A pretty big deal of it. Sally alone with her princess stuff is at the center of most conflicts in the setting. And the interrelationships between the FF that are also constantly developed through multiple arcs are amongst the most talked things about it.
if you take them out you would need a complete change in perspective on how Tails and Sonic experience that setting. Though there are other things that are unique to Archie that could be explored, like the many other groups of FF that aren't the main one, or the Echidna autism, or the Mobian/Robian conflict that would still make it stand out compared to other Sonic media.
>>140437083 Well, that was easy! >>140437076 Sonic OVA continues to do what nobody else has done. >>140437078 >His eyes keep becoming more and more anime moe. Its scary. Or maybe he's on drugs. Less scary.
>>140436891 Apparently she's supposed to be a tiger, Ian made her a fox because it's not easy to tell (also to get Tails a romantic partner closer to his age)
>>140437096 He does deserve to get kicked out, too. He's done nothing to deserve to rule other than being nepotistically given the throne by his daddy. Even in House of Cards he'd rather throw demonstrators in jail than upset his daddy. He's a great person, but he doesn't deserve to be their king.
>>140437072 You'd think Rosemary would be a little more compassionate considering Sally, I dunno, raised her son for the years her and her husband were hanging out with aliens
>>140437096 No one was calling for his head on a pike, they just wanted him to step down. Considering he never wanted to rule in the first place that seems like a reasonable request.
>>140437166 >valentino >image NONONONO STOP REMINDING ME OF THAT! >>140437157 >tails: and that's how you make napalm! >sonic: how do you know how to make napalm? >tails: uuuuhhhhh...
>>140437190 Tails just appears in issues with Sally because it's Sally's comic and Sally's freedom fighter team. The one who fed and clothed and raised Tails was Rosie.
>>140437282 >>140437265 >>140437297 What the actual fuck is this. What the fuck is his problem with sonic. Why are they trying to make antoine into this when hes with bunnie. I hate this
>>140437312 >What the fuck is his problem with sonic. Commoners aren't allowed to take the throne of high royalty, in Max's eyes.
>Why are they trying to make antoine into this when hes with bunnie Antoine is the son of a general, a noble in the eyes of the kingdom and thus the only one that Max will accept.
>>140437265 >first acorn feeeeeeemale to undergo the rights Weird. Even the Guardians had some women among their ranks.
>>140437284 Nicole would make a fine royal consort. Hell, considering her role, you could even argue that Sally would be literally marrying Mobotropolis.
>>140437282 >Max's dad not only selected a wife for his son at eleven years old, but also watched said son swim naked in the magic pool of piss and drip dry in a tub.
>>140437345 >Antoine is the son of a general, a noble in the eyes of the kingdom Didn't Sally turn Knuckles into a knight a few issues ago? How the fuck is Sonic just a commoner?
>>140437282 Max is actually so fucking shit, like clearly not taking into account what his own daughter wants and letting garbage tradition that has stagnated and decayed his kingdom rule over common sense, fucking cunt
>>140437395 Max probably views the position of Guardian as inherently higher ranking than Sonic, who wasn't noble-born to start with.
It still doesn't make sense when you consider that Sonic is not only related to Chuck, who was the House of Acorn's lead scientist, but is the son of Bernadette and Jules who are fucking war heroes. He should absolutely be treated as more than a commoner but like I said, Max is retarded.
>>140437420 You'd think he'd reconsider blindly following the commands of an eldritch puddle after doing so led to his country being usurped by a psychopath bent on wiping out all life.
>>140437333 >Regina Badger aka The Iron Queen Now I'm thinking of Sticks as her sister, who renounced Technology while Regina became a fucking Techo-Mage.
>>140437457 >second panel Please stop reminding me of Nicole's convoluted and inevitably tragic origin. Of all the insane ideas in this comic, don't commit to that one.
>>140437486 Don't forget that under its commands, he brought on both Kodos and Naugus, who staged repeat atrocities on both sides which is what kicked off or at least massively worsened the big war with Overlanders and Mobians in the first place - which was the big catalyst for Robotnik being brought on and given power.
>>140437319 oh hey, it's the character from Silhouette Mirage on the clock. Spaz also did the cover art for the playstasion version of the english release of the game.
>>140437297 It’s funny that as soon as the other writers try to salvage Max’s character with Nagus being responsible for his Robian bigotry Penders returns to further fuck him up.
>>140437609 So is Snively being around at this time a retcon or just one of those things where he was always there but not in all of the stories before he started to regularly appear?
>>140437549 A lot of Max's behavior here and later on makes more sense when you consider that the Source is an evil eldritch parasite that has been intentionally setting him up with shitty commands to fuck over and destroy both his kingdom and Mobius as a whole.
>>140437282 What's frustrating about this is that the comic was basically done with the stupid Antoine/Sonic/Sally "love Triangle" and this plot point basically attempt to brought back to relevancy, resulting in one stinky Zombie.
As much as we make fun of the ancient walkers, we can at least say they're actually good and help out more too. Like can you imagine the walkers meeting with the source of all for the first time
>>140437412 Tails was born when Robotnik took over, so he's 10 years old by the time the comic is at the current timeline. He's about 5 years younger than the other characters. It's been a while for me but iirc, I believe Sonic and Sally were the same age at 15, Bunnie was a year younger than them was but was retconned to 2 years older to match closer to Antoine's age who's 18, and Rotor was a year older than Sonic and Sally at 16.
There is also the whole debacle with just how old Geoffrery is and his relationship with Sally leaves some bad implications.
>>140437824 Claiming that guy in the last panel too.
>>140437830 I imagine they were immensely disgusted by it, but refrained from destroying it for whatever reason since for all its evil, it ultimately allowed the kingdom to prosper and grow for a good while.
>>140437872 Nap time! >>140437853 >There is also the whole debacle with just how old Geoffrery is and his relationship with Sally leaves some bad implications. I've heard somewhere he's in his 20s and that makes sense to me. We get to see more of his past much later. Still, he needs to have Chris Hansen and Stabler called on his ass.
>>140437083 >>140437106 >>140437121 I'm surprised. I waited a while for somebody to claim the Iron King, but nobody did! Is it his design, his personality? Either way, I waited and I will claim the Iron King and his iron dong. Also, the Lego Iron King's sexier, so it's understandable this one's not as desirable.
>>140438041 >Phaser Sometimes, I feel bad about how derivative my project will be. And then I see thing like that and I can only conclude I fully respect the spirit of that franchise.
>>140437698 That’s the problem with most of Pender’s jerk-ass characters. The problem isn’t so much as them being assholes it’s that nobody calls them out on their shit and the story still seems to believe they are good people who’s morally bankrupt actions are acceptable because they are on the good guy side. Once Ian gets on board he doesn’t change Locke’s character to be some perfect Dad, he just has Knuckles and the Archy call him out. Same thing with Geoffrey, once he becomes an actual antagonist his character actually works.
>>140438243 Now we know the truth! And that's it for today! Tomorrow at 7pm EST we're doing a very important Knuckles arc about... drugs. And then a Sonic issue where Tails goes back to Downunda! Have you heard of his time in Downunda?
>>140438313 Wait till she has access to a time machine and everyone starts asking where she is when she's not on panel. You know the writers would have done it unironically.
>>140438380 >the currently ongoing arc What ongoing arc? The heroes are just kind of faffing about right now. Naugus is practically a non-entity despite supposedly being the current main villain.
>>140437926 Going to guess this is just and inventory story they had finished but didn't publish in time. It's pretty much considered either non canon or it should take place before Endgame.
Periods of Eggman not appearing or the main threat isnt a bad idea in itself. It literally just depends on if the writing for said times is good or not with nice new threats, world building/explorations, etc
>>140437282 Max: Why, General D'Coolette and I have been firm friends for many years! I could still remember his charming sense of humor that always brightened my spirits!
>D'Coolette: Max, you sniveling paranoid fuck, I swear to ze ancient Gods above that you are ze biggest moron in zis kingdom and you vill kill all of us. You are vhat my people call Ponce de la Retard and zat is being generous. >Max: Ohoho, General! You truly know how to put a smile on my face! I know I can always turn to you for support!
>>140438801 Does this guy seriously only takes Sonic comms with Tails? Also, I legit cant think if Blaze and Tails have talked or any relationship they have
>>140438346 There is a direction in the sense that Sonic and Tails are after Nagus. But Nagus is barely here whereas Robotnik had a heavy presence, so it's just kinda "Sonic and Tails wander around until they find him". Meanwhile we get Penders-I mean Max's "A+ parenting" with Sally.
>>140438958 >There is a direction in the sense that Sonic and Tails are after Nagus.
Which amounts to a string of unrelated and frankly uninteresting stories up until they finally find Naugus, which was one hell of an underwhelming conclusion.
Unless midget Morgan Freeman does something for you.
>>140438988 Yeah, that's the issue with this arc. It's good for world building, but not much else. Doesn't help that we're still not in the era of Tails being an inventor to give him more of a unique trait to play off of Sonic.
>>140439017 It’d be fun to write about the mature for his age precocious boy coupled with an older and stoic girl who sees their talents and treats them seriously Reminds me of those characters Velvet and Laphicet from the Berseria series and their Kloah adaptation
>>140439150 I agree, but I also think it's really good considering the artist said it's his first animation ever. He could go from passable to amazing with just a few improvements.
>>140439214 Rouge is there too. She doesn’t wanna make him feel serious and mature though, she wants to tease Tails to his breaking point then turn around 180 degrees and come on to him so strong that he’s helpless when she drains him dry
>>140439287 People who think of Silver more as a child tend to have him and Blaze as siblings. I kinda wish Sega would introduce a younger version of Silver ala Kid Trunks with how dead set the American team is on treating him as a child.
>>140436515 A sort of PTSD, Brainiac seemed to suffer a similiar condition when he went from Laughing Green Lex Luthor to Weird tentacled Skullbot in response to narrowly escaping being sucked into a black hole. Though I couldn't tell you if Gallagher was a fan of Superman, let alone Byrne's run.
>>140439538 Rouge tries getting frisky unnanounced with Tails in the middle of the sky, as Bats are wont to do Rouge almost ends up with both of them plummeting after he’s made her “distracted”, as Bats are wont to do
How many people ship characters because they think they're just cute together and how many people ship characters because their sense of identity is blurred due to self-inserting
>>140439827 If it's a pairing I like it's because those characters have great synergy and look cute together. If it's a pairing I don't like it's mental illness and self-inserting and ruins both characters. Does that clear things up?
>>140439742 These two really never directly interact despite being such an obvious pair. Weird how Tails never interacts with other kid characters, no wonder half of his ships are /ss/
>>140436651 >their own people I don't think either party thinks of the other as "their own people" even if they're the same race. Heck, even if they didn't take a "outside of California; it's foreign policy~" attitude, what exactly could the Brotherhood do for a bunch of people thousands of miles (and hundreds of feet below) away? Land the Island and try to pick them up? Anonymous Supply drops? Hang about during the summer so they always have shade? Outside of direct intervention involving freaking teleportation, there's not a lot that the Brotherhood could do. And I think that's part of the reason Athair dipped.
>>140439299 Basically this. Blaze had her own stuff going on in Rush and Rush Adventure, then she's just kinda there as Silver's sidekick in '06 (which itself is '06). Has Silver even been to the Sol Dimension at this point?
>>140440109 >Has Silver even been to the Sol Dimension at this point? No, only Sonic and Tails have. Sega has done nothing with the fact that they share a nemesis too
>>140439998 >Tails is too nerdy and she's too much a boring polite girl anyway I feel that there's a character that bridges that gap really well, too bad it just doesn't make sense as a pairing in the context of the setting. Which is kind of funny, because it would be the equivalent of the Amy x Sonic and Tails x Cream combo that Sega is doing right now.
>>140440234 Its probably because he was a rushed (heh) character and literal recolor of eggman. People give scourge shit but I'd say he's pretty decent. Nega however was never good at any point.
>>140440217 Where on his podcast? I've never heard this before. >Dont know why you would He's racist and he gives Silver and Blaze something to do.
>>140440234 He says he's from the same world as Blaze in Rush but then he was retconned to be from the future in Sonic Rivals and they've stuck with that because Iizuka wrote it.
>>140440217 I like his design (basically a modernized Classic Eggman) but otherwise yeah he doesn't have much going for him. >Captain Whiskers is also dead >IDW suggests that Blaze took care of all of the pirates We're never getting anything else out of the Sol Dimension, are we? >>140440234 He has two: >Rush: He's Blaze's arch enemy, with the implication he's a parallel Eggman. He's a "lmao chaos, evil" type >Rivals: He's Eggman's descendant from the future. He gets angry about Eggman's poor reputation so he replaces him (at least in Rivals 1, not sure what his motive is in 2) Sega generally goes with the Rivals backstory, but him being Blaze's nemesis is still a thing according to his Sonic Channel comic.
>>140440288 They put the characters together and allow fans to do the rest. It's lazy but it works. Just look at who are the playable characters of the upcoming mobile game, that should make it obvious.
>>140440334 The problem is Cream really doesn't have much personality or character aside from being "a good kid". Even Tails has more nuance than that, but it makes it hard to really feel anything for the idea of Tails and Cream being together besides pairing the spares.
>>140440334 They don’t though. Cream being playable doesn’t make anything “obvious” any more than Vector and Omega both being in Heroes does. They’re never put together in anything and they never interact.
>>140439979 Tails is too much of a "not normal" kid to interact with the other kid characters so it's unclear what they have in common aside from being around the same age plus Sonic basically monopolizes his attention, it's somewhat rare to see Tails interact or form a bond with another character (same could be said of almost every character). There could be a story that highlights the differences between the kid characters and form a unique bond but y'know, that requires effort.
>>140436342 >Could it still feel like an Archie comic if it was just Sonic and Tails without the others ever appearing? It might wind up feeling more like AoSTH, but early western SonicKINO defines the two by their brotherly relationship, which is almost entirely absent in Japanese media. Tails is the Robin to Sonic's Batman, he's young and inexperienced but undeniably talented.
To that end, I think a comic with Sonic as the protective big bro to a Tails who screws up but comes out on top anyway, and who isn't obsessed with technology, would still maintain that Genesis era feel instead of the "cool perfect SENPAI/cowardly nerd KOUHAI" dynamic that is currently mandated.
>>140439085 probably whining about the boats again >>140440217 >On his podcast. and that's the indicator he's talking shit. sega (of japan, who ian has no fucking clue about) probably still has his character sheets in the vault for the next olympics or whatever the fuck >>140440342 >Ian likely hates Nega because he would rather just make the original Eggman himself into the reality-destroying master planner. yeah, this, also because most of the non-fans hate him too. whenever rush is brought up, only blaze is cared about, nobody cares about nega comparatively
I don't get Tails and Cream shipping. Like it really feels like a taglong ship for Sonamy, and that literally is the case as they're often in the background for those. And I don't see what traits about each other would make the other fall in love at all.
>>140440342 >The Rush games were outsourced, which is why Sega only barely acknowledges Blaze and doesn't bother with anybody else from them. ...and why they're kind of good, unlike Sonic Team's own contributions from that era.
>>140440362 Both Cream and Zoey are similar in that aspect, but at least Zoey has the excuse of being an one-off cartoon character while Cream has appeared in multiple games, comics and X.
>>140440437 Sonic Prime okay but also lame because of the wasted potential. But hey, at least we got the closest thing to Robotropolis that we will ever get again, and Shadow actually wasn't that much of a dick.
>>140436721 They are Extradimensional at least 4th dimensional imps of chaos, meaning that their entire realm theoretically can be multiverse-sized, and that's power to behold, and even that eventually couldn't contain their power as they eventually threatened other zones, each of which also can be 4th dimensional due to having both standard universe and chaos force
>>140440440 It's a combination of pair the spades and Tails just not having many options >Rouge is too old unless you're into to /ss/ >Nobody cares about Marine >There aren't that many characters around Tails' age If you wanted to pair Tails up with somebody, there aren't many, if any non-borderline crack pairing options.
>>140440384 In the first Sonic Rush he really is just an Eggman clone but after that his deal is that he's a true sociopath and a really petty troll that cares more about winning and terrorizing people than taking over the world.
>>140440429 Yes but it was written by Iizuka and what he says goes.
>>140440468 “No we don’t have any assets to make new worlds” “Just reuse Green Hill but put more water/trees/fetureless buildings; there now that’s 4 worlds”
>>140440217 Anything Ian says on his podcast or Twitter can almost always be ignored, since the last time he stated that SoJ said that "X is non-canon", SoJ then almost immediately clarified that "X is canon, it's Y that's non-canon" on his next episode.
>>140440440 >I don't get Tails and Cream shipping. Like it really feels like a taglong ship for Sonamy, and that literally is the case as they're often in the background for those. They're the non-canon alternative to Sonally/Minails. >b-b-b-but--- Official Sonic media. Your alternatives have never been officially depicted bearing fruit.
>>140440554 There’s a reason there’s barely any tails and cream comics in existence, just about them, when we were storytiming. Because even their “fans” don’t actually like it for itself, and don’t know what the fuck you could even do with them on their own when they have no dynamic, just as an accessory for the other characters like Sonic and Amy.
>>140440348 >spoiler That might be the case after issue 64. Would explain Sonic shipping Silver and Blaze(really ooc for him btw) while also comparing their relationship to him and Tails.
>>140440541 I wasn't counting alternate continuities, but if we count those >Cosmo, as you said, is dead >Barby seems to be older to a degree that it'd be /ss/? >Fiona, well, Robot Fiona is unironically a better option >Zooey... exists? I haven't watched much Boom, so I guess she's the only option, but I dunno enough about her to really say.
>>140440498 Perhaps they made him a bit too retarded but I actually liked this version of Sonic. Younger, more egotistical, and he has to deal with the sheer consequences of his arrogance. And when all seems lost, his spirit seems to be broken now. I am curious to see if Shadow will help him get back on track.
This version of Sonic reminds me of the Archie version but... yeah more retarded, lol
>>140440621 I thought this was gonna start a boat load of Tailrine craze but it barely did. fans were so focused on the shota in a dress than marine herself. Poor marine, gets rare attention and no things with tails even when they have more things in common with each other
>>140440589 For the sake of objectivity, I've tried to imagine what TailsxCream could be like, and I just come up empty. Cream is too young (practically infantile really, it's weird) to grasp what actual romantic feelings would be and Tails is too smart to put himself on Cream's emotional and intellectual level. They share overlap in the way of interests and I can't imagine what they'd even do together beyond Cream forcing Tails into a teaparty.
I welcome counterarguments (other than "once Cream is older", not a valid argument) because I'm just at a loss.
>>140440663 Ian references the ending of Season 2 in SX, but changes the outcome so that time doesn't freeze for Earth and so Sonic's gang stays with Chris indefinitely.
>>140439287 >most people Only on here. Plenty of people like him just fine elsewhere, either as Blaze's kid brother (despite being the same age), with Blaze as her boyfriend, or just friends with Blaze (usually so they can push their own ships).
I'm just dropping in to say I love Regina I love her laugh I love her technomancy I love her eyes, her hair, her rockin' human and not badger body She now exists in a dead comic and can no longer be hurt by SEGA or bad writers (redundant phrasing, I know) Thank you Frank Storm for creating her.
>>140440589 The best Tails and Cream story that I've ever read was one that was all about how extremely different they are as characters, one lives a happy life with her mother while the other has been alone for most of his life, the closest thing he has to a family member is Sonic that's too hands off to be a complete father figure and currently lives on his own, there's also the fact that the intelligence gap is too high and Tails' experience with people is not the best due to isolation and because he was an outcast before meeting Sonic, so he finds difficult to talk to people of his same age. They still were able to form a heartwarming friendship thanks to Cream's inherent kindness but a romantic relationship is just something that's hard see happening between the two. Yes, this is from Eternal Tails lmao
>>140440741 Real life isn’t a written story you absolute dumbfuck. Nor is Tails written as how an 8 year old acts. I could list literally any /co/ between even younger charcters that end up with more development and dynamics than any Sonicshit, regardless of whether it’s the retarded tots like Cream and Charmy or the faggy teens like Sonic and Sally. Bad writing is bad because it’s bad, not because “durrrre they’re young so they’re supposed to be empty and boring and have no personality”
They should use Creams canon not giving much shits about Tails as a gag where she'll head straight towards Sonic first and ask how he is, ignoring tails
>>140440498 Primenic's himbo energy would be enough to get even Boom Knuckles to tell him to tone it down a little. I'm not sure what motivated them to make him such a dumbass, but it is funny.
>>140440492 People would care about Marine if she appeared in more than one game. Shipping her with Tails is hard though because of the different dimensions thing.
>>140440819 >spoiler I mean, ET Tails all but admits that he likes Cream romantically - it's just that both were horrifically broken (well, Tails wasn't too badly messed up because he was already psycho) by endless Happy Days and Cream technically being long dead and only her clones remaining, and so they didn't really want to push the other into anything.
In fact, outside of Happy Days and Eggman's daughter being obsessed over him, ET Tails in the main story is very averse to romantic affection despite both Cream and Amy expressing it towards him, and the aforementioned Eggman daughter having a very unhealthy version of it. Sure, there's the later loop variant who was into Amy, but he bungled that one.
>>140440887 >That art of your is nice btw Well, thank you very much, that's very nice. >would you willing to draw more of her in current year ...I want to. >as a badger? No.
>>140440984 Not those anons, but it's a fanfic. Basically "What if Tails had PTSD from the events of Tails Adventures and things get worse from there". It's more probably more nuanced than I summarized it as though. I've only seen/read bits of it.
>>140440871 >People would care about Marine if she appeared in more than one game. that isn't what happened when her game came out. when that happened people wanted her gone. sega obliged to the point they lost money, and so they couldn't make a modern model of her if they tried
>>140441111 >>140441157 The Boom cast are nebulously older than the Modern continuity, but we don't know by how much. There's one episode that you can use to spitball their ages, but taken literally would put them at some thousands of years old.
>>140440785 >>140440804 Well, I did say it didn't make sense in the setting. But treating people with such hostility, ultimately I have to disagree with the ones who say that Archie treated the characters better than the games do. And that I'm not surprised that so many nowadays are more than willing to ignore it and favor the bland stuff that Sega has been pushing lately. >>140440977 That artist is pretty good, very cute. Unusual for someone who does NSFW art.
>>140441216 I think the reason he said that is because that was the cope people were using at the time to justify it being different. It was never stated
>>140441216 >>140441252 You can treat it as cope if you want, I don't particularly care. I'm just stating what one episode specifically posits regarding how long th3eyve been fighting Eggman and saving the village, which would give a rough estimate as to how old they are and it's a lot older than the at-the-time given ages of the game cast.
>>140441348 >I'm just stating what one episode specifically posits regarding how long th3eyve been fighting Eggman and saving the village, which would give a rough estimate as to how old they are and it's a lot older than the at-the-time given ages of the game cast.
You're giving the writing more thought than the writers did.
>>140441376 especially given the whole point was that it was meta sitcom humor which was designed to not be taken seriously. it's literally just the modern voice actors mouthing off in a room
>>140440155 >>140440176 >>140440217 Nega isn't dead, Ian THINKS he's dead because he hasn't appeared in a Sonic game beyond the Olympics since Rivals 2 where he was trapped in the Ifrit dimension and Ian went further to hopping he was dead since he doesn't like the character.
>>140441419 Ah, this may be one of the reasons why Sega didn't like boom. Only Metal Sonic and Tails doll is allowed, can't have more robot duplicates or robots that look like something out of Archie.
>>140441408 >and Ian went further to hopping he was dead yes, and people take his word as gospel since he's the only 'regular updater' on the english end, and he's also put himself on a pedestal by claiming he'll 'fix the lore' (the whole lore team being a sega creation facade) so that's why he generates outrage, because people want to believe that this is it even though it spells more disaster than before captcha:AHKSG >>140441457 >He ain't dead. no of course he isn't, but people want him to be because haha racist jokes of the dumb political correctness type, or they don't care about him so they want him dead. nobody thinks of how to improve these things, just how to get rid of them. I assure you when ian was saying that sega of japan's files regarding what happened with nega were completely unchanged. He doesn't and can't do shit
>>140441479 How does Ian define "fixing the lore"? Having the characters remembering things that happened and have everything autistically connected and overexplained?
>>140441513 >At least Scourge tries to be his own thing and makes for a better character later on once Ian gets a hold of him. Literally just Sonic but bad, and Archie Sonic already has more attitude.
>>140441478 I don't think Sega cared much about Boom was doing outside of getting them to censor Sticks' feet apparently. I also doubt they would've offered designs for Metal Amy, Tails, Knuckles and Sticks if they were to use Metal Sonic for that episode.
>>140441514 yes. catering to what the fanbase wants to see which is a surface level interpretation of fixing the lore when the localization has done all it can to snuff anything from the source material out of reach of the public.
>>140441537 Scourge is evil and rotten to his core. Sonic had attitude but ultimately a heart of gold and a hero. For nega why he gets so much shit, because unlike with Scourge and Sonic, Scourge doesnt have the same role as good guy. Eggman nega is supposed to be bad too and not really an oppsite. So basically another Eggman, but not as good. And yes, I will like scourge and hate Eggman Nega all day every day.
>>140441595 I honestly stopped caring about the character when he stopped being Blaze's enemy. It's not that I found him engaging either in that role, but the awkward switch to Silver made the character even more shallow and disposal to me. You can't just swap a character like that and gaslight people into thinking it was always that way.
>>140441648 i wish they got to do more with it before the 20 somethings on sonic retro and the like had a hissy fit about serious stories not fitting sonic. i feel robbed that by the time i got into sonic that the story only just got started by the time they basically snatched it all away for the asset pool that now plagues this franchise down to its core now
>>140441643 >Scourge is evil and rotten to his core. Scourge was portrayed as nothing but a bully, a baby even. His conquest of Moebius was just him beating up some spineless warlords and calling himself king and then attacked Mobius by stealing Sonic's clubhouse before being defeated and made everyone's bitch in dimensional jail. He's just as shallow as Nega, but people just go gaga for evil hedgehogs.
>>140441691 nobody. her zone is just stagnant because the people in their 30s didn't like that the handheld games were actually good when 06 was a fuckin disaster
>>140441691 Captain Whisker was is indeed destroyed. SoJ confirmed it are their equivalent to Tailstube and Ian confirmed it on his podcast as well later when asked. Although, I think Johnny is MIA because he just ran away.
>>140440563 Why do people say shit that doesn't even happen.
>>140440663 Pretty sure it was Sega's call not to include any content from season 3. He also jumped on after Joe Edkin's run. Ian seemed liked he would have wanted to do some stuff exclusive from season 3 back on his forum, but he was just using what he was able to work with.
>>140441691 The game implies that he and most of the pirates went down when the Ghost Titan did. I think one of the Sonic Channel stories suggested that he was still around, half-destroyed, but Blaze probably finished him off. IDW also recently had a story suggesting that Blaze did indeed get rid of all of the pirates.
>>140441730 the only reason people think there was any resuming of the pirates thing was because a huge number of people didn't get to the ending in rush adventure because they got filtered by the boats, so most only heard about how the eggmen were the grand masters of the game, but not the why or how they're related to whisker or if they destroyed whisker or not.
like whisker basically outright says near the end of the game that he gets snuffed by them but it's so quick and miss. tails has to point it out in a flashback, but that's at the tail end of the game and nobody played that far.
what didn't help was shit like fan interpretation and spinoffs like archie running off with the fact he was still alive (keep in mind ian was pandering to the fanbase by making marine retarded in archie as well despite archie taking place after rush adventure when she's supposed to have matured a bit, but ian didn't play the game, and there were no cutscene compilations on youtube back in 07 because the ds was hard to record and everyone hated handheld games)
>>140441754 >IDW also recently had a story suggesting that Blaze did indeed get rid of all of the pirates. that was cause the fan interpretations had gone so far into cryptic nonsense because nobody wanted clarification back when the game came out because everybody on the internet hated it >I think one of the Sonic Channel stories suggested that he was still around, half-destroyed, but Blaze probably finished him off. Link, source to this (even a translation)? I don't recall them mentioning him at all
>>140441648 I'm okay with it because Blaze AND Eggman deserve a female Sol Dimension villian counterpart that isn't just palette swap Eggman.
The actual differences in Nega's personality(total sociopathy, pettiness, the trolling, obsessed with winning to the point of blowing himself up, I think even the faux politeness) only came after the future retcon.
>>140441786 It was in Part 2. Here's a translation: https://dizzydennis.tumblr.com/post/666759982713323520/sonic-x-blaze-cover-story-part-2-english > A skull gauntlet attached to a red steel body … >There was no doubt that it is the mastermind of the pirate robots, Captain Whisker. Though he should have been destroyed from his previous defeat. >He seemed to be completely out of his mind, with only scattered remains of his body being held together, but … …..
>>140441798 maybe it's a bit overblown, but it was at least an extension to the world. what was really uncalled for was the scorched earth that lead us into the green hill hell asset pool from generations sega can't detach themselves from. This 'going back to the genesis days' thing was a bad idea from day fucking one since it was built on fabricated memories that now define the brand because of incompetence >>140441812 ah thanks for that
>>140441798 It's just islands and that seems to be it, which isn't interesting since the Sonic world already has its fair share of islands. It's basically a Great Value version of Earth.
>>140441798 Blaze's world in undercooked as a whole. We are told Blaze was bullied when she was younger but we never get any elaboration on that at all.
At least it's only marginally better than the nothingburger that is Silver's world. After 06 we are told next to nothing about it.
>>140441897 The IDW comic shows Blaze's Castle, which makes sense considering she's the princess of an empire. The focus on the islands is probably due to the theme of "lmao boats".
>>140441935 But it's been over 15 years. We don't even have a single screenshot or description of what it even looks like other than "it's more peaceful now" in Colors ds.
>>140441922 Once again, this franchise suffers from constantly introducing new things instead of developing what it has. Instead of developing Silver and Blaze's settings we fight the Zeti and go to yet another dream world with a sheep woman
>>140441993 People get on Ian but he's kinda do exactly what they want with lore stuff with the interweaving, since fans also bitch how nothing is done with so much stuff.
>>140441968 We don't know what the peaceful or apocalyptic versions of his future are like. In 06 we only see one abandoned city and don't know anything about the rest of the world or how he has his powers.
>>140440974 HD Tails and Cream's relationship to me seems more of a genuine friendship formed from their time stuck together than outright romatic interest, it's something that mostly happened by circumstance even though a kiss did happen but one may argue that it was done more for a pragmatic reason rather than an emotional. But yeah, Tails just had too much psychological damage to pursue a normal relationship and the whole Cream clones situation made it extra fucked. While the exact same dynamic doesn't carry over to the other loop because it's a more normal one, I think there's enough similarities, mainly how different they are as kids but in that, Cream was incredibly intelligent when it comes to social interactions so she was able to see the cracks on Tails' emotional walls and had certain interest in him but it was hard to tell if it was a romantic one or if she was genuinely trying to help him out while indirectly pushing him to be with Amy. I like to think it was the latter, because that means Cream was really just interested in helping out both Tails and Amy with their problems, a more selfless act that goes nicely with Cream's trait of kindness.
>>140441968 >But it's been over 15 years. some people would prefer it be forever, they're just that petty. sega's cowered in fear of them for a decade because they're who funds them. >>140442038 >he's kinda do exactly what they want with lore stuff and it's not good enough and misinformed. he grew up on archie, not the games, and refuses to reconcile this
