>>128346425
Last time, our heroes were fighting hentai.

>>128346457
Nonononono, I don't like where this is going!

>>128346473
No Big, Froggy isn't a poke ball.

>>128346473
I don't like those eyes on the chao

>>128346473
the third panel is really suspicious

>>128346490
The day is saved and Cream got... creamed...

>>128346508
the porn writes itself

>>128346508
Silver worries about the future but he should worry about the present!
>>128346492
>>128346494
Many questionable things on that page.

>>128346527
Our heroes fighting... our hero? What's going on here?
>>128346524
Be sure to show it into FBI-kun. He'll love reading it.

>>128346546
Silver is capable of taking on Enerjak. But these guys? It's no use!

>>128346565
Ah, Rob is here to talk some sense into those incredibly overeager freedom fighters.

>>128346586
Silver almost died to those people over a simple misunderstanding. No surprise he just wants to get out of there.

>>128346598
Now let's find out what this hentai doll knows...

>>128346623
>>128346598
can't believe rob-o-hedge is going to repopulate the echidna race

>>128346623
Uh oh...

>>128346637
Oh no!
>>128346630
Godspeed Rob!

>>128346637
Maxbros, I've got a bad feeling...

>>128346657
Things went to shit in record time!

>>128346457
Oh good, fan favorites Heavy and Bomb are here.
>>128346473
>>128346508
I see they're trying to top the Eggman bath scene. Maybe just don't bring Cream on any missions where there could be tentacles?

>>128346673
Woah! Eggman that is pretty problematic!
>>128346661
A real bad feeling...

>>128346690
Everything's on fire!
>>128346684
Oh ho, get ready!

>>128346704
Eggman being especially bloodthirsty.

>>128346716
Go kids, go!

>>128346716
lupe a cute

>>128346546
Look it's not Rob-O-the-Hedge, Rob-O-the-Hedge's legally distinct substitute! please don't sue us Penders!

>>128346730
The heroes have arrived! Shard please, focus on the objective!

>>128346546
Why did Glitcher choose to keep the substitute instead of Rob ?

>>128346749
Tits up! Everything has gone tits up!
>>128346733
And almost dying!
>>128346736
PENDERS GONNA FREAK!

>>128346766
You could've read just a few more pages.

>>128346777
Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit!
>>128346766
Well, now you know.

>>128346777
Man, Eggman really wants death.

>>128346749
Gonna guess Glitcher doesn't like Shard either

>>128346790
Someone stop her! Please!

>>128346801
Who does Glitcher like?

>>128346812
Aw shit!
>>128346791
Welcome to Sonic Retold!
>>128346801
Whaaaaaaat?

>>128346813
Sally, Elias, SatAM Robotnik, Rotor, it seems. Basically any character that seems to either be written correctly, or be written wrong but in a way that you're clearly meant to be siding with them

>>128346801
I dont think he dislikes him. Dude gave an explanation to why he decided to write it this way but I dont remember it.

>>128346825
Don't do it, Sally! Fight it!
>>128346813
Eggman? He's doing much better in this version of the series then in the official comics where he was scrambling to the the North Pole and barely making it to the crossover.

>>128346790
damn alicia is fucking strong

>>128346812
So is Sally supposed to be crying here? I see something happening with her eyes.

>>128346861
she got her eyes damaged in >>128346730

>>128346861
her eyes are cracked, maybe they're made of glass

>>128346849
FUCK!
>>128346830
If he likes Sally, I'd hate to see who he hates!

>>128346657
Ha, they literally worship an Echidna deity.
>>128346730
Quickly, sent out your youngest children to fight, surely Eggman will go easy on them.
>>128346749
That golden lightning-bolt on Shard's spin attack is a nice design tough.

>>128346885
S

>>128346885
Mission accomplished...
>>128346854
Desperation is a helluva drug.
>>128346861
>>128346878
>>128346883
Wait for it...

>>128346885
NOT THE MEME MAN FUCK

There is no reason for Sonic not to kill Eggman at this point. Maybe since this is a fanconic, it will deliver.

>>128346849
>>128346885
After all the shit he put her through she still hesitated?

>>128346918
Shardbros...
>>128346886
Eggman can use some wolf and overlander slips.

>>128346939
Oh no, we lost Max ....

>>128346939
Did Shard just drop the ball?

>>128346939
Even if Sally gets deroboticized, is she ever going to be okay?
>>128346933
Definitely a good argument for this continuity.
>>128346935
Come on anon, that's her father.

>>128346939
F for shard

>>128346939
good to see he's just as insensitive as sonic

>>128346956
Tails Doll meets its match.
>>128346953
Yes we did!
>>128346954
What? Really? Maaaaaaaan!
>>128346958
The absolute state of Shard!

>>128346885
F
>>128346939
>Eggman can use some wolf and overlander slips.
So Eggman doesn't hate furries, he just likes expanding his wardrobe.

>>128346956
>next sponge bath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

>>128346838
>I guess I should explain more clearly. Shard was rebuilt from Metal Sonic 2.5's power gem. Metal Sonic has a natural desire to prove himself superior as seen by his interactions with Sonic in issues #86-87, and I imagine some trace of that ego resides within Shard. Getting distracted by the prospect of showing off to his female teammates in battle doesn't strike me as being out of character. How can you be sure he's infallible when he's only appeared in five issues? Bear in mind that Shard is relatively young and still new to the hero business. He may be based on Sonic with impressive skills and one-liners (though I have no idea where the 'secret insecurities' come from :confused:), but he lacks Sonic's experience in making the right call in a life or death situation. He's inevitably going to make mistakes in service of his ego.


>Another result of this mistake is that it plays off of Rotor who is discovering Shard for the first time. He hasn't witnessed Shard's exploits as a Secret Freedom Fighter. All he sees is another rebuilt Metal Sonic who turns out to be a liability. Remember that Rotor and Uncle Chuck built the Metal Sonic Troopers in Sonic #157-159 using data gathered from the same power gem Shard uses, and that turned out quite badly. This tragedy only plays into his perception that Metal Sonics are bad news, which makes Shard look that much worse. :( I wouldn't say that any of this takes away from Alicia and Elias - their grief is shown in full. But I still need to share the scene with Shard to bare his weakness at the climax, which John Truby explains is the starting point for a character's crucible. If you disagree, then what is Shard's crucible? And please don't say "to win Nicole's heart" or I might slap you. :slap:

This doesn't read to me as outright dislike but at the very least a disregard for what's already established. Which we've seen Glitcher do with glee over and over, so no surprise.

>>128346972
Words!

I'll be back in 10 minutes with the part of chapter 5. Then we'll be caught up but I have something more to post from Glitcher after that.

>>128346954
now he can he rejected to the point where he leaves Mobius and go to the Sol Dimension and help his little brother

Shardbros, how can we recover from this?

>>128346956
>I want the princess looking her best for my next sponge bath.
He can't keep getting away with it! I did like his little hope in the first panel, physical comedy goes really well with Eggman.

>>128347044
>hope
hops

>>128346956
>report in two hours. The genesis wave should be ready.

Wow, I didnt notice it was THAT close to happening.

>>128346637
Sally definitely shanked that guy

>>128347001
That sounds kinda unecessary for his character. Hes just a chill robot that wants to help the team, you dont have to make a huge redemption arc for it.

>>128347101
Or you can do it, but in a way that makes more sense with the character- he goes for Leeta and Lyco first because they're his colleagues, for instance, rather than because he wants to be a macho man. Glitcher's the kind of writer who doesn't give a shit about characters and their characterization if it's in the way of whatever idea he just had for the plot, to the point of not even considering ways to make it work, which ironically makes him closer to Flynn than he probably realizes considering how much he complaints about the man.

>>128346885
REST IN PISS MAXIMILLIAN

>>128347002
Now that we met our suffering quota for the day, let's see how the echidnas are doing.

>>128347162
This is actually better than in the official comics because when Knuckles shows up, everyone was already Thrash'd aka Pender'd.

>>128347180
Remmy ain't happy.

>>128347198
It's Dimitri... 's head!

>>128347198
>Remmy ain't happy.
He's just upset he couldn't find his hat

>>128347219
That third panel face looks so odd.

>>128347219
Remember when Remington was a friend and Dimitri was the enemy? How things have changed.

>>128347245
ENTER FINITEVUS
>>128347225
There's also his dead lover that was carved out.
>>128347234
A very concerned Knuckles.

>>128347265
ENTER and exit SCOURGE AND THE DESTRUCTIX

>>128347285
Knuckles really likes attacking white echidnas while they're in jail. At least this one doesn't have an arm cannon (then again, that was all according to keikaku).

>>128347285
Finibros, did we just get mogged by Scourge of all people?

>>128347265
>ENTER FINITEVUS
Best villain in the comic, not even Eggman's as entertaining

>>128347308
ENTER YANAR
You remember Yanar, right? The guy that Knuckles was palling around with during that journey with the echidnas.

>>128347329
I reread pre reboot archie recently and I don't remember who that guy is

>>128347329
And we leave it here. The comic hasn't updated in a few weeks but when a new page comes up, I'll post it. But we got some time, so let's take a look at something else.
>>128347319
Scourge beat him off panel. Sad!
>>128347324
Very fun but unfortunately given little time to really shine.

>>128346623
>Max: This means I have a W-word pass right?

>>128347339
You mean the preboot archie ?

That guy was an echidna who handled Knuckle`s arrest in albion while Kuckles was green

Yeah hes really obscure.

>>128347366
So Glitcher got commissioned to do some stuff with a person's OC named Monarch which is an alternate universe robot copy of Sally. There's only a handful of images and comic pages but I think it's interesting enough to post them before we head into the final break.
>>128347339
That seems to be the general consensus when he showed up in this comic.

>>128347308
>the weak should fear the strong

>>128347386
Not wanting to be seen, Monarch attempts to find out more about Sally and the others in this world but is discovered by Nicole!

>>128347339
https://archiesonic.fandom.com/wiki/Yanar?so=search

>>128347407
Trying to escape and not wanting to be captured, Monarch flees and is chased by Sonic but Sally intervenes!

>>128347429
Even in the commissions, Sally must suffer.

glitcher is a good liar

>>128347444
>sally: why did you wake up screaming?
>monarch: i remembered... scrubbing someone in the bath...

>>128347366
Loving the dramatic head turn in the last panel.
>Very fun but unfortunately given little time to really shine.
Hopefully he'll get a bigger role later,, out of all the preboot characters, he's the one I'd like to see most in IDW.
>>128347444
It's a multiverse of Sally suffering!

>>128347462
January isnt over yet.

>>128347467
Digital girl talk.
>>128347462
Glitcher said he was going to go get cigarettes. He'll be back and then continue the comic!

>>128347504
Might as well give her a chance.

>>128347462
he was posting updates consistently though until jan 5th, then he just vanished

>>128347474
>he's the one I'd like to see most in IDW
Didnt know he had fans, I mean even in the DA comments there are people talking about him.

>>128347533
She's fast! But not as fast as the blue blur!

Time for a final 10 minute break! For those that read The Vulture, there's going to be a dump of more art and random comics featuring delinquent Silver, tsundere Blaze, and more! And if you haven't read it, check it out here >>128306553

>>128347568
Oh wait you were talking about Finitevus. Never mind then.

>>128347549
>>128347486
Does Glitcher have a twitter account ?

>>128347581
No worries, I actually like a few of the echidna recolors. Finitievus is the standout, but Remington and Yanar are pretty cool

>>128347574
We end the night on some Silver fun. Just as crazy and rough around the edges as before! Check out the artist's DA page, they also have an original comic to look at but I haven't read it. Hopefully it's just as fun as The Vulture.
https://www.deviantart.com/knockabiller

And tomorrow we'll Scourge Eternal Blackout! I'm debating on how many chapters to do. It's actually pretty short.

>>128347724
No I don't think that's what the person making this chart meant by "tied up." Many fangirls sigh in disappointment.

>>128347724
Oh boy

>>128347736
Something bad happen? Just shrug it off, bro!

>>128347751
>shadow's mug
I wonder if the artist still lurks...
>>128347741
Very fitting.

>>128347771
Now it's Silver's turn to be cold. Luckily he's got a fire kitty waifu to help him out.

>>128347783
Another chart. I don't like the vibes I'm getting from some of these smiles.

Did this artist just stop posting sonic stuff ?

>>128347798
Looking pretty Nights-y there!

>>128347724
Best interpretation of the character, and I say this as a Silverfag. Most psychokinetic characters tend to have a more passive personality and not be very physical. Casting Silver as a delinquent that's willing to get into physical fights and be more of a trickster is a fantastic way to have him stand out from the other characters.Honesstly, we already have Tails and Knuckles to fill the naive and gullible roles.

>>128347812
What's going on here?
>>128347811
They kind of stopped doing as much. I don't know if they're active elsewhere. Sometimes DA artists migrate to twitter.
>>128347819
Yeah, I like this version of Silver. Lots of personality and fun.

>>128347831
Remember this meme? Which hedgehog do you side with? Shadow, right?

>>128347798
I have a feeling this one will remain relevant in future threads

>>128346918
Fuck you eggman

>>128347819
I wish some other artists tried using THIS Silver. Fuck, I would take even a fanfic with this guy in it.

>>128347736
clever

>>128347847
...I don't get it.

>>128347860
Everyone freaking the fuck out!
>>128347853
Careful anon. This Eggman might get you for that.

>>128347873
Oh yeah that cape. It was from some 06 concept art right ?

>>128347873
Last chart. Because Silver makes the best expressions.
>>128347854
If the artist is done with their comic, it'd be great if they went back to The Vulture.

>>128347811
They evolved their fancharacters to be independent from Sonic and have just been focused on that lately

>>128347724
this artist's silver story is my favorite part of the storytime so far

>>128347783
>>128347798
>>128347831
This schizo Silver feels just so wrong, yet so right... at the same time.

But despite all, holy fucking shit, I think this fancomic truly has opened my eyes for real this time and made me only realize how fucking godawful is IDW. People really don't kid when they say I should read more comics.

>>128347891
HIGH FIIIVE!

https://www.deviantart.com/shadowgoethe/art/Captain-Marine-and-The-Sea-Witch-ACT-I-Cover-903929837
im suprised someone is doing a comic about marine

>>128347771
>Pot hair mittens
> /co/ mug
> Silver and Shadow mogging Sonic's lack of chesthair
10/10
>>128347831
>Yeah, I like this version of Silver. Lots of personality and fun.
I think a lot of people end up liking Silver since he's written vaguely enough that you can interpret anything you want on him, but giving him a strong and distinct personality is much better. Knockabiller's done a great job here.

>>128347906
>People really don't kid when they say I should read more comics.
I work at IDW and even I will tell you to read more comics. There's no downside to expanding your range of references and cultural taste.

>>128347891
Im not expecting him to return. Just hoping someone else likes this Silver enough to use it in their works.

>>128347909
What did the five fingers say to the face?
>>128347896
It's kind of sad that these great character types are just better off being removed from the Sonic franchise.

>>128347860
This is actually what happens in one of the Olympics games. Silver teases Bowser Jr and then he and Yoshi laugh at him.

>>128347935
>It's kind of sad that these great character types are just better off being removed from the Sonic franchise.
I don't think it's a negative. Using the franchise as a springboard is great but end of the day you're better off fully owning what you do rather than living in the shadow of "well this is illegal copyright-wise but the company won't do anything so long as I don't annoy them". Everyone who's got a fancomic or fangame should eventually graduate to their own thing, even if it's very obviously just a legally-safe reworking.

>>128347935
silver: do it!
>>128347902
Definitely a surprise to me as well.
>>128347906
IDW Sonic is just bland in comparison. I wish they'd allow some more interesting takes and stories for their franchise. Even Evan feels neutered compared to her work on GotF.

>>128347958
Yellow cat in these is... Frost, I wanna say? Don't remember her name. Blaze's sister. Knockabiller did a few "OC family of character" designs and they were generally nice, I remember liking Amy's.

>>128347958
There's also some Babylon Rogues stuff. Seems to be another favorite of the artist.
>>128347916
Silver being a blank slate is useful for him. Most just keep him normal-ish and naive.
>>128347928
Only if the person that does it can continue the energy and charm.

>>128347958

>>128347978
It's a beach episode!
>>128347944
Ah, thanks for the info!
>>128347954
It's good for the artist but I wish some of that energy went back into the Sonic franchise officially.

>>128348001
This is a mood.
>>128347972
>giving sonic characters family members
Don't tell Iizuka!
>>128347990
Oh, Silver!

>>128348001
that marine is adorable

>>128348018
A scene redrawn twice. I can imagine the last one taking place in a nightmare.

>>128348036
Would that be what a Moebius version of Silver be like?
>>128347911
Very nice! I'll check this out!

I wonder if Silver or Blaze will ever have a solo arc in IDW ?

>>128347850
>>128347990
Vulture!Silver's a great character, and goldmine of reaction images.
>>128348001
>Ah, thanks for the info!
No worries, I'm probably one of the 3 people that actually played the Olympics games.

>>128348054
Silver just does not do well in the cold.

>>128347954
I wouldnt mind them using Sonic as a springboard if some other artists at least tried continuing what the original one did with the characters. But people dont like continuing other artist's unfinished works out of "respect" for the artist or some bullshit.

Don't forget to post Knockabiller's take on a Classic design for these two, it's one of the best around

>>128348069
Knuckles seems like the type to be a delinquent more than anyone else but he's always so calm, stoic, and rational. Still has that temper, though.
>>128348062
Would there be a way to have it in the main universe and timeline without using anything from their vague and undefined backgrounds? That's the problem.

>>128347944
>Silver teases Bowser Jr and then he and Yoshi laugh at him.
That's not very cinnamon roll like Ian and Evan tell me.

>>128348094
More Silver!
>>128348084
Damn, I must've missed it. It's hard to find everything in their gallery.
>>128348082
DC does those comics where it's just a bunch of newby writers and artists doing stories. I'd like that for Sonic but Sega's too overprotective (they kind of have good reason but good god it's been a decade, let the franchise breathe).

>>128346490
>Big: I guess it's down to you and me, you freak!!

>>128348036
Archie!Silver just realizing he's chomped down on a metal bed railing.
>>128348082
I think Japan's got it right with fanworks. You can publish and even make money off it as long as you acknowledge it's a fanwork. That said, I don't like the trend of some Sonic fangames asking for Patreon money, since it risks Sega cracking down on all fangames.

>>128348116
Maybe I'll post more. Other anons can as well. But I'm going to call it for the night.

Come back tomorrow at the same time and we'll see what Scourge and his crew are up to!

>>128346830
>Rotor
Guess Glitcher is certified homosexual then.

>>128348116
>>128348116
>Damn, I must've missed it. It's hard to find everything in their gallery.
Allow me then.

>>128348149
Cute! And thanks! So much good art in the artist's gallery!

>>128348149

>>128348116
>>128348130
Im not talking about trying to sell the fanwork. Just talking about having other people making a comic or a fanfic that continues that unfinished work the original artist left behind.

People rarely do that , and it leads to a lot of unfinished comics that will never get picked back up.

>>128348130
>I think Japan's got it right with fanworks. You can publish and even make money off it as long as you acknowledge it's a fanwork.
The West is way to vain and greedy to allow something like that.

>>128347140
Did the fucking Source of All foretell this? Huh?!

>>128348182
I can understand why people wouldn't want to. Personally I would want to do my own thing. In fact I am except at this point I just removed all the Sonic stuff and made all the characters original so it's all mine. Kind of sucks because I like the Sonic franchise but I think it's better to be independent of it.

>>128348108
>That's not very cinnamon roll like Ian and Evan tell me.
Evan's blinded by that Dreams of an Absolution song and his fluffy hair, ignoring the fact that he's traveled back in time to murder Sonic Terminator-style. Ian knows it's best to agree with Evan on all things Silver if he wants to live.
>>128348182
Whoops, I responded to the wrong post there, meant it for >>128347954. You're right, as long as the artist's up front that they're continuing someone else's work, most readers would be happy.

>>128348312
>Evan's blinded by that Dreams of an Absolution song and his fluffy hair, ignoring the fact that he's traveled back in time to murder Sonic Terminator-style. Ian knows it's best to agree with Evan on all things Silver if he wants to live.
That's fairly biased and ignores that Ian himself was the one pushing for "goofy cinnamon roll" Silver in Archie. The real answer is Silver was badly recieved in 06 and the Archie version started getting a lot of "this is great this fixed Silver" with Ian's tentative "he's a fish out of water and doesn't know what's going on", so he started investing more in that and so has the American side of things in the decade since as the Archie/IDW fandom gained more attention/Ian gained more say in the direction of characterization. Now over a decade later sometimes there's fans that point that games Silver isn't meant to be this exaggerated version the fandom's created, but someone closer to a Kamen Rider protagonist or, more obviously, Future Trunks, but the direction the franchise is going on is mostly "do things like the US fandom thinks they are in terms of characters".

>>128348067
But can he beat high shovel Silver?

>>128348197
>The West is way to vain and greedy to allow something like that.
I don't have a problem with intellectual property, but it's way too restrictive now. You should be able to make anything you like, as long as you don't claim it's official.
>>128348300
I wish it wasn't so legally murky for people to do this and state that it's based on/inspired by whatever franchise.
>>128348385
Yeah, I was mostly joking that Evan's a homicidal Silver fan who can't see her pet as anything less than perfect. Ian is definitely the driving force behind most of the characterizations. Fish-out-of-water Silver was a good way to introduce him, but it's not sustainable and leaves out a lot of potential fun they could have with the character. They already have enough naive (Tails), gullible (Knuckles) goofballs (Big, half the cast depending on the writer) to work with. I'd be way happier with delinquent Silver. Sonic's never had to deal with someone who can deliver better bants than him and isn't an easily defeated villain.

I wonder how Finitevus would've caused havoc during the 1st Crossover.

>>128348385
>. Now over a decade later sometimes there's fans that point that games Silver isn't meant to be this exaggerated version the fandom's created, but someone closer to a Kamen Rider protagonist or, more obviously, Future Trunks
I mean, he's gonna still be like that as long as Nakamura is still around. Silver pretty much acted like he always did in Sonic Forces.

every single version of this silver is the best fucking thing ive seen of the wee bastard.

>>128348593
>Sonic's never had to deal with someone who can deliver better bants than him and isn't an easily defeated villain
Maybe thats why people like Scourge so much ?

>>128348546
4/10, not enough mittens on his pot hair.
>>128348714
It's certainly what I liked about him, but he was never a match for Sonic physically, and Sonic always knew how to get under his skin. The current characterization for Sonic is snarky and sarcastic, but with a squeaky clean image so having someone who could make stronger jokes than Baldy McNosehair and flirt with the other characters is something Sonic would have trouble handling. Delinquent Silver would be able to get under Sonic's skin while still being one of the "good guys."

>>128348929
>sonic: how many fakers do i have to deal with?
>silver: oh i'm real, real enough to fuck your mom last night
>sonic: what'd you say about my mom?
>silver: oh shit, i'm sorry, can i talk shit about your dad? did he ever come back from the convenience store? you got a cute sister? hopefully she's not too young, i like 'em flat but i don't want to go to jail or anything

>>128348714
Scourge is a closet pussy bitch, though.

>>128349005
Canon! Sonic getting flustered by Silver, the Ultimate Bants-form, would be awesome. He'd also use his psychokinesis to make lewd and crude gestures, like ripping off a tire from a parked car and thrusting a stop sign through it while talking about fucking Sonic's mom.

>>128349208
Damn Jules why you gotta call Scourge out like that?

As someone who's favorite character is Sally, I'm really liking this. This is what I wanted out of the Mecha Sally plotline before the reboot made it evaporate. Finally, someone using Sally as something other than a romance plotline.

>>128349553
I'd prefer Sally being a leader and not being treated like Eggman's personal plaything.

>>128349716
Sure, but she was already roboticized before the reboot. If they just turned her right back immediately, then it would be lame as shit. Having her get de-roboticized now and flying into a murderous rage any time she lays eyes on Robotnik would be hilarious.
>"Sal, what's gotten into you lately?"
>"I've seen things Sonic. Frightening, horrible, flabby things."

>>128349553
>As someone who's favorite character is Sally
Watch out, that'll make some mad. But in all seriousness, why is that the case?

>>128349782
I didn't like the last part of Ian's preboot run because it just sucked the fun out of the comics. Everyone just suffered and the resolution was prolonged until a reboot forced everything to be dropped and forgotten. And yet Retold takes it up notch. Retold is weird in that it seems normal in tone but then it goes to Mecha Sally and it gets into this "suffering for the sake of suffering" type of writing. Eggman is even more evil than he was at his worst in the Archie comics and people had enough of his antics in that. There's no subtlety but rather enjoyment in some of the more over the top moments. It doesn't fit the comics it's continuing, and that's keeping in mind that Ian killed off a lot of characters when he was writing.

>>128349930
I think Ian mentioned he wanted to do some sort of year from hell thing with the characters, but was forced to reboot before he could resolve things on a better note. The reboot couldn't have come at a worse time. For what it's worth, I think the final issues would've been looked on much more favorably if we got to see the happy ending. Still waiting for those Lost Hedgehog Tails Ian!

>>128348036
That last panel looks so good, you can feel Silver’s distress and guilt over the sight of Antoine’s comatose body.

>>128348108
Sonic characters becoming unrecognizable over time until their personalities has become completely different? What a shock

>>128350016
>I think Ian mentioned he wanted to do some sort of year from hell thing with the characters, but was forced to reboot before he could resolve things on a better note. The reboot couldn't have come at a worse time.
The argument here is that the very concept of a year from hell is a stupid tiring thing to do in a comic like this. I'm sure it would've read better in hindsight, like usual for his writing- but I remember the slog it was when it was happening and each month was just more misery. It's why a lot of people started focusing more on Universe, which with its 4 issue arcs constantly changing story and cast was mostly able to avoid that

>>128349877
I liked her from SatAM where she actually did things to look for her missing father or take down Robotnik. Pender kinda ruined her(the slap, all the focus on relationships, all the weird shit about getting naked and diving in a pool of urine, etc), but it looked like Ian was trying to do something with her before the reboot. Mecha Sally seemed to be taking the arc to a climax point, only to get reboot right then and there. After that she was just kinda bland though. Kinda got the impression he lost the ability to tell the story he wanted to with her, so he wasn't gonna try to do much with her anymore.

>>128349930
A character who overcomes hardship is more interesting that someone who wins all the time or never suffers. One of the biggest and most common complaints I've heard about Sally is that she is a Mary Sue who never faces any real danger and yet still demands others go out and fight for her. Mecha Sally was good for her character. First time she suffered in a way that wasn't mostly self-inflicted since SatAM.

>>128350016
Ian and his goddamn milestone chasing. He got screwed over having to do Genesis which prolonged the plot and so he was aiming for 250 and had to end it right when the FF got Sally to go right into an event that ate up the 250 milestone and ended with a reboot. I like Ian's preboot and reboot runs but there are a lot of things I didn't like about it.

>>128350113
Mecha Sally was good for Sally, the problem was it wasn't good for the book overall or the other characters

>>128347958
>>128347906
>>128347926
yeah for me the best IDW stuff has been in the annuals

>>128350113
Ian was probably just really burned out by time of the reboot to do much with her.

>>128350113
>One of the biggest and most common complaints I've heard about Sally is that she is a Mary Sue who never faces any real danger and yet still demands others go out and fight for her.
I've heard the opposite. Everyone says that Sally is incompetent and has to always rely on Sonic to save everyone. And the FF minus Sonic tend to look bad. Also, she's the leader who shouldn't be fighting, of course she's going to need others to fight for her. Her thing is tactics and diplomacy. Early Sally did stuff like get escorted by Sonic and the others and used Nicole to hack Robotnik's computers and come up with plans. She didn't even get a weapon until the reboot. Even her Moebius counterpart had a weapon.

>>128350132
you just made be realize that IDW's a bit less milestone chase-y than Ian's Archie run; sure issue 50 is being set up to be a big event, but 25 ended up just being set up for the final stretch of the current storyline rather than a big event issue itself

>>128350090
Yeah, I'm not personally a fan of year from hell style arcs. They're not too bad when binging, but as you said, they're terrible to read ongoing. Universe was great since Sonic wasn't required to be in the spotlight, and the stories didn't have to tie in with the ongoing plot. Ian clearly loves lore and long (long!) arcs, but these shorter, mostly self-contained four-parters were much more fun to read. Ultimately, a comic about a talking blue hedgehog should be fun to read first, and dark/serious second. I think GOTF handles this better. Despite being a lot more grim and gruesome, it's counterbalanced well with lighter moments.
>>128350132
I wish there was a way to prevent Ian from knowing the issue numbers when plotting. Milestone chasing should be limited to cool variant covers and off-panel nonsense.

>>128350265
>Despite being a lot more grim and gruesome, it's counterbalanced well with lighter moments.
I can't ever imagine Ian doing something like the ice cream werehog story or the day of the dead denouement story. Christ. I really hope Evan starts becoming more confident in herself and starts breaking Ian's habits, because the biggest issue in her IDW stuff so far in my opinion has been the forcing the stories to be 4 issues, to me, out of a sheer naïve "ha ha I'm the new head writer well don't want to step on any feet so Ian what were you doing Surge and Kit ok well let me try and tie to that and keep doing some 4 issue stories like the readers are used to"

>>128350207
>>128350265
Just give Ian a set number for arcs. 4 seemed to have been the sweet spot. But after a while he got to make them as long as he wanted and that's what led to stuff like the FF shitshow or the Metal Virus arc. Speaking of MV, his Archie plotting had issue numbers attached so he's definitely always aware of where they land although I'd like to think he wouldn't bend over backwards to make the numbers stick to specific issues.

>>128350291
Evan was free to write characters how she wanted and attach things like family members and bring in any other character she wanted for her story. But the constraints she's on while working for IDW has obviously kept her from being confident and ambitious.

>>128350335
Sure, but I don't think those are the biggest issues going on. I really think her pacing's the biggest problem right now, look at stuff like Test Run that should've been 3 issues at most, or the recent camping trip that should've been 2.

>>128350182
>Everyone says that Sally is incompetent
Meh, she's fighting against a genius inventor while leading whoever she can find who's willing to fight, with zero formal training in insurgency warfare, supply chains, or even leadership for that matter. If she was incompetent, they would have all died already.
>always rely on Sonic to save everyone
I blame the Penders years where this was true. Sally in SatAM was shown as being perfectly capable of surviving when Sonic wasn't around in Sonic Boom(the episode, not the series).

>>128350347
Pacing was only a problem for me when Ian started and did those two slogs for the first 30 issues. Evan just doesn't have anything compelling to offer, no matter the length of the story.

>>128350418
Dunno, I think her concepts and plots so far would've worked fine, just needed less time. We needed like, one issue for Chao racing, one issue for Belle, final issue for the two plotlines coming together. That sort of thing.

Remember the really nice ice cream story in GOTF? If she'd tried it in IDW, she would've made it 4 issues. And 4 issues of Silver making ice cream would end up getting very old.

>>128350375
I think Sally was fine overall although she did job sometimes, like when Ixis-powered Geoffrey beat everyone. Sally coordinated an attack that took down Eggman's phoenix ship and the ensuing march to his stronghold that led to his mental breakdown was good. When Sonic got beat by Eggman, Nicole and Tails helped him save everyone, then they went to New Mobotropolis and Sally had Sonic sit out the fight and had the FF and Chaotix tear down Eggman's mech because it was only good at dealing with Sonic. And she did good when talking to all the houses and brides during the Iron Dominion arc in SU, highlighting her diplomacy skills.

>>128350435
She outright mentioned that Belle was originally just gonna be a one-off annual story, and that when she found out that the 2021 Annual wasn't going to be A Thing thanks to the 30th Anniversary Special, she (and Ian in the case of Zeti Hunt) inserted belle into her planned stories

>>128350435
I can see four issues of Silver visiting his family, the ritual, Sicily working on metal, Venice being attacked and hospitalized, and then Metal attacking in the hospital. I just don't see anything she's done in IDW being as interesting. You could make those all 1-2 issues and I'd still barely remember what happened.

>>128350525
My point is, those 4 issues you described, in IDW would've been 12 or 16

>>128350555
But that would be Ian. He did the two 15 issue arcs.

>>128350291
>I really hope Evan starts becoming more confident in herself and starts breaking Ian's habits
This. Hopefully once Evan's more comfortable with the title, we'll see more of her style shine through. I think the 4 issue thing could be a publisher thing. 4 issues are an excellent size for trade paperbacks, and that's where a lot of the money is now. I just pirate comics and buy the paperbacks when they come out and I think a lot of others do too.
>>128350313
Your pic related explains a lot of Ian's process, the limitation there is that he spreads his plot out to cover the issues, and makes the ongoing plot the focus across multiple arcs. I think the worst case of this was after the reboot where they were going to a different place/emerald shrine each arc. Some of those really could've been cut down to 2 or 3 issues. Also, giving the longer multi-arc plot too much focus makes it harder to enjoy individual issues since you're spending too much time thinking about what will be happening in 12 issues. I hate to say it, but it's a bad habit he picked up from Penders.

>>128350588
>>128350616
Nice!

>>128350594
>it's a bad habit he picked up from Penders.
When Knuckles was limited to 3 issue arcs at the start, the comic was much better. When it stopped, it all went downhill.

>>128350525
>>128350555
>>128350580
I think you're both right. Ian would've made each story beat take up 4 issues whether it needed it or not, but in IDW it's a habit Evan's now picking up. In a way, it means spreading issues across entire arcs, and spreading arcs out to be that year's plot, which slows everything down.
That nothing happens most issues, and that it takes forever to resolve the ongoing story (restoring the emeralds in the reboot, metal virus in IDW) is probably the biggest complaint with the writing. I remember finishing the first reboot arc where they restore an emerald and thinking shit, is it really going to take 24 more issues before we get to see Super Sonic fight Dark Gaia?

>>128350671
Definitely! It still shits me that he got like 12 issues to do his Mobius 20 years later story, and after hyping it for years nothing fucking happens in it.
>>128350716
Nice!

>ian needs to be restricted
>evan needs to be unleashed

>>128351498
I'd put up with everyone being barefoot if it meant we could get even half the heart that's put into GOTF.

>>128351599
>everyone being barefoot
Just for Sega going apeshit and everyone's reactions.

>>128351744
Honestly, Sega should know its fans by now and anyone not able to handle weirdness shouldn't be working there. If anything they should just lean into the weirdness, it certainly made Archie more interesting.

>>128351498
no

>>128352032
They're afraid of the companies they work with and afraid of their fandom. You see other companies doing the best they can to pander to their audiences, often trying to go for nostalgia. Sega's the opposite. At best they'll throw a bone for classic fans in the form of a celebratory comic but only because they sectioned off the first 20 years of Sonic. No doubt that the fandom's crazy but Sega gives so little fuck what most people want and just gives everyone what Sega wants to give out. And every night, Sega will go to sleep and slowly peak under the bed to see if the Penders boogeyman is there. But the most annoying thing is that they will sabotage anything good that comes their way. Sonic Mania? Scare off the developers. Sonic movie? No game to go along with it. Fan favorite characters? Leave them in limbo. Sonic Boom? Sabotage the game and cancel the show after two seasons. Meanwhile, Sonic Team, who have trouble doing a decent job on normal 3D games, is trying to do an open world game. Good luck with that.

>>128352744
Considering what most of the fans want is shit, they're doing the right thing. Do you trust that obeying the wishes of anyone here would make for any good decision? Considering you just used Sonic Boom being scuttled as a bad thing as if Sonic Boom deserves anything but derision, you're just proving the point that listening to the fans is a recipe for disaster.

>>128352764
You can figure out how to give people what they want that's actually good and not the crazier ideas that all fandoms have. It's not rocket science.

>>128352794
And in terms of use of the brand outside games, they already do. Most complaints you see are from the people who DO want the stupid ideas.

>>128350313
is there one of those but for what happens after the reboot?
or original plans for endangered species?

>>128352802
by after the reboot I mean what would happen if the reboot didn't happen

>>128352802
IIRC you can find the original version of Endangered Species on Herms' patreon. Never seen it myself but it's probably worth a look if you're willing to throw him a few dollars for access. As for the reboot, there's a thread that goes over all the unfinished stuff that was planned for Archie Sonic.
>>126892469

>>128352813
For any plans not including Metal Virus, you'd have to listen to the podcasts that Ian does for what he was planning and him answering questions. From what I've heard, after the FF get back together, Finitevus would be a major villain and then Mogul would be the next major villain. I don't know much of what else was planned. There was an anon in The Ride that kept up with all of that and even provided links to the podcasts.

>>128352744
You're absolutely right, Sega's absolutely terrified of its fans. Frankly they should be, the fangames are only getting better, and there are now several independent projects demonstrating viable 3d gameplay. It's also pretty shocking that the fan comics are now more interesting than the official comics, and with better art too. If Sega isn't having meetings about why GOTF is better received than the official comic despite being done by the same person, they should be.
As mentioned upthread, there is a real chance that the fans eventually take their fanworks, strip out the Sonic parts and pursue them commercially. Lots of sonic-like projects that are better than the official release would not be good for Sega.
>But the most annoying thing is that they will sabotage anything good that comes their way.
Their entire company seems geared towards putting their foot in things. Imagine how shit you have to be to scare off Sonic fans from working on their dream Sonic game. It's actually amazing they were able to replicate Sonic Extreme's failure so accurately with the Sonic boom game, and when the show seemed to be doing well in spite of that they go ahead and cancel it anyway.
>>128352764
>Considering what most of the fans want is shit
Every fanbase has a lot of shit ideas, the Sonic fanbase is only worse because it's so fractured that a good chunk will hate anything that they release. That and when Sega does listen, they implement it in the most stupid way possible. Fans sick of so many characters? Only Sonic will be playable from now on and the only other characters are Tails and Eggman. Fans liked Mania and want more? Add him to Forces and make him play even worse than in Generations, also break his camera so nothing looks dynamic. It boggles the mind.
Is it really so hard to make a Sonic game that isn't rushed and looks like the developers put their heart into it?

>>128353123
Amen. I hate Sega's attitude towards the franchise and I hate how people are like "but the fans want dumb stuff" like it's only the Sonic fandom that's like that. Just be smart and put out good stuff and not fuck up the good stuff that's coming out. DC, for all its faults, is putting out Batman books because it just sells so well for them. Some companies go too far and Sega manages to do the opposite. Sega used to put out multiple Sonic titles across various platforms 2D and 3D and the occasional spin off in a new genre. Now it's just a couple mobile games and we're waiting for a 3D game that I have little faith in. Sega doesn't know what to do with the comics, they want it to advertise the games but they want IDW to be post-Forces, can't really use anything from Forces, and old "classic" games/characters also can't be referenced and even when Frontiers comes out, who knows when that can be used in the comics.

I hope you're ready for Moebius.

>>128353542
Glad to hear others feel this way too.
>DC, for all its faults, is putting out Batman books because it just sells so well for them.
At least DC's fine with there being multiple interpretations of Batman existing at the same time. You don't have 'modern' Batman characters consigned to one universe and 'classic' ones to another. Mighty, Ray, and Honey can never appear in the comic no matter how much their fans plead. Sega tying the comics to the Forces continuity has really stifled things, especially since they stripped out Infinite. You raise a good point about what the mandates will be for Frontiers though. They'll be forced to either integrate it with the comic, ignore it, or soft reboot the comic depending on what Sega wants.
I really miss their handheld games, the Rush and Advance series were fantastic. They were better programmed too, with the 3ds Lost World controlling much better than the console version. My worst fear isn't that Frontiers will have a stupid gimmick or be riddled with bugs, but that it'll be as bland, uninspired, and rushed as Lost World and Forces.

>>128347906
Have you only read IDW before these storytimes began ?

>>128347162
Wonder if there will be any complications because Eggman rebuild Sally from the scratch?

>>128352744
>Sonic Boom? Sabotage the game and cancel the show after two seasons
Not only that, but because the games failed and, Cartoon Network mind you, forced the show into an early as fuck timeslot (in a day and age when kids aren't waking up to watch cartoons anyone), all the merch sales fucking bombed, pissing off retails who gave space for it.
Sega pissing off retailers? Where have I heard that before...

>>128353542
>and old "classic" games/characters also can't be referenced
Fuck, fuck, FUCK Sega's Classic/Modern separation, why fucking gimp your history like that? There is no good reason at all for why these goobers can't show up in IDW/Future games
>and even when Frontiers comes out, who knows when that can be used in the comics.
I heard that the writers can't even build up to Frontiers like they could in the pass (getting an early view of Sonic Adventure back in the day). Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>128355935
Because Sega does want "brand confusion". Whatever that means.
>>128355848
You'd think they would learned from the Saturn debacle.

Reminder that the IDW staff are not allowed to show the characters moving/emoting their ears or tails. Thanks Iizuka.

>>128355935
>There is no good reason at all for why these goobers can't show up in IDW/Future games
One reason is that Bean and Bark aren't villains.

>>128356195
I honestly think Sega/Iizuka doesn't trust the West anymore after Penders. I mean, those Japanese Sonic Channel comics were able to use humans and Nega no problem. It's obviously a West thing, not a brand thing.

>>128356271
I'm not asking for them to team up with Eggman, I just want more shenanigans with them and the Chaotix. If the comics can't write plots based around the games, they might as well bring in some characters for various stories.

>>128356374
The problem is Team Hooligans isn't a thing in the games. At most you'll just see Fang as a midboss while Bean and Bark just appear for party games like racing or the Olympics.

>>128346885
I'd like to think General Armand D'Coolette is waiting for Maximilian on the other side.......to chew him out.

>>128356271
>>128356374
>>128355935
There is quite literally none to gain of bringing back literal one-off fillers for some shovelware fighting game or some bumfuck villain for only the sake of bloating on the already bloated cast. Rouge, Big and Omega, on top of Rough and Tumble, already fill the roles they would.

Why do people like you insist to worsen problems? Jesus christ, let it go. This bandwagoning wanking pretentious shit over characters no one cares has to go.

>>128356783
What bloat does IDW have ? If anything it needs more characters in the cast.

>>128356982
>What bloat does IDW have ?
The fucking IDW characters? What else, nigger? We already got the game cast full enough and readied for writing stories and arcs. Except Starline, no one else serves anything really worthwhile for the cast.

>>128357070
>Because it's fucking fun.
fun =/= good.

>why not just bring in Classic characters to create fun STORIES.
Because you don't need to bring back anymore old luggage for the sake of them. They don't have to pander to you and your tin-tinted nostalgia goggles just so you can finally "enjoy" stories. Making good stories doesn't need shit like muh very obscure characters no one cares.

>Not everyone needs to show up every fucking time
Good, then let it go.

>but at least have them around and let the writers think up something.
Writers are doing just as fine without old luggage. Please read more comics, I really beg you.

>>128357169
How can someone unironically think that Sonic is bad because of a bloated cast? Do you just want Sonic, Tails and Amy in your stories ?

>>128357169
>Because it's fucking fun.
Oh really then tell me which arc of idw was fun then

>>128357391
Only Sonic should be in the stories.

>>128357169
>fun =/= good.
But it CAN be, the possibility is there
>They don't have to pander to you and your tin-tinted nostalgia goggles just so you can finally "enjoy" stories.
It's not just me tho, a lot of Sonic fans want the Classic locked characters back, here on /co/ and elsewhere
>Please read more comics, I really beg you.
Sure, I like the Italian Disney comics (when I can find translations) and in terms of manga I really like One Piece.

>>128357169
>Writers are doing just as fine without old luggage.
To be more exact, "the writers would be just as bad with more characters as they would be without them".

>>128356704
Beauregard doing a happy dance.

Wow idw has so many interesting characters such as
Belle: who is a boring dummy who no one gives a fuck about it
tangle and whisper: their only purpose in the entire comic is that they are in love with each others and that pretty much it besides that they barely have any interesting backstory or a cool traits
starline: hes just a generic villan with no good backtory and his only purpose on the entire comic is to rebel against eggman
Open your eyes people IDW has a shit cast of characters stop acting like they are creative or interesting or fun

>128357169
>128356783
Go away and spill your schizoid rambling shit somewhere else, un-fun boomer faggot. People have been tired of this shitty tirade for fucking years.

Reboot Archie had that sweet spot for characters and world building. My only complaint was that the overall arc being Unleashed but they just got through it when the comic was cancelled. I liked preboot the most but I will admit it had a lot of stuff that’s better left forgotten. Just wish some more of the preboot got carried over into the reboot. IDW has so little and feels hollow in comparison.

>>128357723
Archie characters were worse.

>>128357698
>Beauregard: Much like a confused snake tap dancing with a polecat, I can't believe Eggman killed Max! This call for moonshine.
>Bunnie: Ya sounds awful happy.
>Beauregard: Look, let's be honest the hell he do you? For us? For anyone?
>Bunnie: Uhhhhh......he......uhmmmm.
>Beauregard: Though so.

>>128357723
Only about five Archie OCs were worth a damn while the rest of the fuck-ton were forgettable. Same with Fleetway. This isn't an IDW-only thing.

>>128358077
>tfw no story where antoine gets healthy and goes after his wife and has to deal with beauregard and settles a grudge that lasted for decades and ultimately wins the approval of his uncle-in-law as they join forces and take down the sand blasters

>>128348142
Unless you're just kidding and I'm just an autismo, you don't have to be of different sexual orientation to find macho or other different characters cool or likable.

>>128358769
>Beauregard is initially very cold to Antoine
>Beau also makes some snide remarks
>Beau disses 'Twans Dad which explodes into an argument
>Antoine explains that he knew nothing about the family feud and even if he did Bunnie is all that matters to him and he loves her as much as Beauregard does.
>Ending is the Sand Blasters get their asses kicked again, Beauregard apologies about everything and the feud is now over. He offers a hand to 'Twan.
>Antoine gives a hug calling him Uncle Beau and promises him they'll share a glass of his Dad's special wine for family gatherings one day.

>>128359738
He's made appearances.

>>128359988
Interesting to see Sally occasionally do something girly. Feminine Sally is one potential alternative but I really do like Moebius Sally aka Alicia. She's basically a fusion of Sally and Lien-Da.

>>128359988
UR HUSBANDU A SHIT

One bump

I am NOT looking forward to when we storytime IDW.

>>128362542
We know, we know. It's not Archie, therefore bad.

>>128362542
i am, it'll be hilarious

>>128362559
Not that. I already accepted that its worse than what we had and it will never improve.
I mean the unending discussions of mandates , penders , etc.

>>128362542
it's already been done

>>128363127
This is not /vg/

>>128346473
Poor Cream.

>>128346598
Now now, Silver. Those idiots beat your ass fair and square.

Get in here, loser!
>>128363909

>>128346637
That guy is most certainly dead.

>>128346885
Welp, RIP

>>128347771
What good friends.

>>128348636
Try to turn someone into Enerjak and have them reshape the entire multiverse by juicing them on chaos energy.

>>128357169
You are the fucking problem with this franchise.